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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;User 67, post: 3569, member: 67&quot;]Right, as most discussions the topic veers and SIS was saying that the term &#039;vase&#039; used for those vessels was inaccurate, while I was stating why I believed it was okay. Sorry, if that doesn&#039;t seem to add to the information you need for your research, but it did add to mine.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, I think you may be missing something.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is rather common for societies to import the &quot;exotic&quot; and appropriate it for what ever they want. An incense burner becomes an ashtray for a billionaire, it&#039;s photographed in Architectural Digest and suddenly Target starts reproducing the incense burner. I think it&nbsp; would be proper to call it an incense burner, because of the form and shape, even if it was never intended to burn incense.</p><p><br /></p><p>I would speculate that the Alhambra vases were an attempt by that society to duplicate the vase form and that this may have been a step toward making flower vases in the Middle East. While that might not have directly lead to the development of vases in Europe, it does seem to parallel the development of finger vases in the middle east, and that alone may be of interest to your paper.</p><p><br /></p><p>So far I would theorize that the flower vase developed in China.</p><p>Trade brought it to the Middle East, where it saw a decorative form in the Alhambra vases, but that is as far as it made it to Europe. The flower vase finally, as the word origin indicates, made it to Europe around the time of the introduction of export porcelain from China along with an interest in Chinese culture, art and writing. I feel like I am writing your paper for you. Do you think you <i>need the exact date</i> that the Duchess of York placed the first rose cut from an English garden in a Chinese vase, and how everybody applauded and did cartwheels? I doubt if that information will be easy to find or how important it is if you knew the exact day and place. besides these types of &quot;my grandma did it first stories&quot; are often fabricated by either the grandma or granddaughter. </p><p><br /></p><p>You can try to research the history of flower arranging on the internet, but I will tell you right now, I have done a bit and there is tons of misinformation out there! Floristry is a billion dollar industry with millions of flower shops, all with their own web sites and many looking for any kind of factoid they can copy and paste into thier pages to make them unique. (a lot of Ctrl+c going on) They don&#039;t research and the same falsities keep getting repeated until they sound true. I have no doubt, that there is some information written by someone in some old diary or reminiscence of a fancy dinner party where they first saw a vase of flowers. However, even the original of some of that info should be questioned as sources for the data might be 19th century Ladies Magazine writers, who were often no more historian than the copy writers for some web-template for a florist shop. They tended to make stuff up in the 19th century too.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, to continue my theory, meanwhile, in the middle-east they created the first finger vases to hold the tulips and other bulb flowers they had been cultivating for hundreds of years and were soon to become the rage of Antwerp. Holland, began having their potters make finger vases, but being a major importer of Chinese porcelain, commissioned the Chinese to make finger vases as well. Which would present an interesting irony, or at least full circle of development. The Chinese invent the flower vase, it is fiddle with in the Ottoman Empire who created the finger vase, which was imported to Holland where this new form of the vase was then sent back to china.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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