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<p>[QUOTE="laura9797, post: 8571196, member: 9323"]Here is the response from the President of the Haviland Collector's group. Of course, the collector wants to purchase it so maybe it will be an interesting lot to watch once we are uploaded? </p><p><br /></p><p>Thank you for involving me in this project. I have seen a lot of Haviland in my time, in person, in books, and in many visits to the Haviland factory historical document archives in Limoges. But I have never seen one of these before, which leaves me only logic as the basis for my conclusions. I do not think that my fellow HCIF member experts have seen one either, and I have blind copied them. I will let you know if anyone else weighs in with anything different.</p><p><br /></p><p>I would go along with the tobacco humidor pipe stand concept. It makes the most sense to me, especially considering the inclusion of pipes in the cartouche. Haviland made three different models of humidors at that time that I know of and have photographed, and they all used pipe 'holders' similar to the bars with holes on your piece. The other models are all from 1855, and I would think that yours is also from that era, possibly later. The bar mark places it from 1853-1865. The other three humidor models are figural (a Samurai warrior, an elephant, and a Native American child), while yours is more traditional in shape.</p><p><br /></p><p>I would not recognize a Haviland caviar server if one was thrown at me. I do not know of Haviland ever making anything that they called a caviar server. As far as a dessert service goes, I have no idea what would have been included in the rest of the service and what role your piece would play in it.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="laura9797, post: 8571196, member: 9323"]Here is the response from the President of the Haviland Collector's group. Of course, the collector wants to purchase it so maybe it will be an interesting lot to watch once we are uploaded? Thank you for involving me in this project. I have seen a lot of Haviland in my time, in person, in books, and in many visits to the Haviland factory historical document archives in Limoges. But I have never seen one of these before, which leaves me only logic as the basis for my conclusions. I do not think that my fellow HCIF member experts have seen one either, and I have blind copied them. I will let you know if anyone else weighs in with anything different. I would go along with the tobacco humidor pipe stand concept. It makes the most sense to me, especially considering the inclusion of pipes in the cartouche. Haviland made three different models of humidors at that time that I know of and have photographed, and they all used pipe 'holders' similar to the bars with holes on your piece. The other models are all from 1855, and I would think that yours is also from that era, possibly later. The bar mark places it from 1853-1865. The other three humidor models are figural (a Samurai warrior, an elephant, and a Native American child), while yours is more traditional in shape. I would not recognize a Haviland caviar server if one was thrown at me. I do not know of Haviland ever making anything that they called a caviar server. As far as a dessert service goes, I have no idea what would have been included in the rest of the service and what role your piece would play in it.[/QUOTE]
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