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<p>[QUOTE="Barn Owl, post: 2238488, member: 4864"]Yeah, I wouldn't have bought it if it was decorated with a Star of David or Hebrew letters, because I know that there are a lot of fake Judaica items floating around from out of Poland and I'd feel uncomfortable buying something that was Jewish and dug from the ground. I just assumed it was labeled as Judaica to draw attention to the listing, and that the seller might have found it while digging up the dog tags and coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Apparently, there are European Jewish heraldic crests, which I had no idea about until now. But I Wikipedia-ed it, and it appears that there were no Jewish noble families in Poland. But if it was Jewish, why adorn the crown with a cross shape?</p><p><br /></p><p>To me, the wooden handle looks like its decayed. If it was buried in damp soil, perhaps the wood disintegrated. If the handle was attached to the metal base by pitch, the adhesive could have preserved the bottom part, while leaving the upper part of the handle more vulnerable to moisture and liable for breakage.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm not familiar with intaglio carvings that much; I only have the other heraldic fob seal and a few common Roman warrior intaglios. But would something like this be mass produced? The stippling of the background, along with the finer details of the crest, seem more complex than what I would expect for a mass produced piece. And since the crest is unknown, I feel like it would be less worthwhile to produce (and artificially age) than fake Roman centurion rings, or crests that can be easily found. The other items the seller is selling </p><p><br /></p><p>I won't be devastated if it turns out to be new. $83 is a lot for me, but I purchase all my finds with money I make from selling other finds, so I imagine it as a trade.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Barn Owl, post: 2238488, member: 4864"]Yeah, I wouldn't have bought it if it was decorated with a Star of David or Hebrew letters, because I know that there are a lot of fake Judaica items floating around from out of Poland and I'd feel uncomfortable buying something that was Jewish and dug from the ground. I just assumed it was labeled as Judaica to draw attention to the listing, and that the seller might have found it while digging up the dog tags and coins. Apparently, there are European Jewish heraldic crests, which I had no idea about until now. But I Wikipedia-ed it, and it appears that there were no Jewish noble families in Poland. But if it was Jewish, why adorn the crown with a cross shape? To me, the wooden handle looks like its decayed. If it was buried in damp soil, perhaps the wood disintegrated. If the handle was attached to the metal base by pitch, the adhesive could have preserved the bottom part, while leaving the upper part of the handle more vulnerable to moisture and liable for breakage. I'm not familiar with intaglio carvings that much; I only have the other heraldic fob seal and a few common Roman warrior intaglios. But would something like this be mass produced? The stippling of the background, along with the finer details of the crest, seem more complex than what I would expect for a mass produced piece. And since the crest is unknown, I feel like it would be less worthwhile to produce (and artificially age) than fake Roman centurion rings, or crests that can be easily found. The other items the seller is selling I won't be devastated if it turns out to be new. $83 is a lot for me, but I purchase all my finds with money I make from selling other finds, so I imagine it as a trade.[/QUOTE]
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