Featured trying to ID designer of clutch using mark & patent info

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  1. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I believe that Harry Leberman worked for Groove Lock Co., not for a bag company. I'm guessing that the company made fasteners that were purchased in bulk by manufacturers who made bags/purses.
     
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  2. antique85

    antique85 Well-Known Member

    Brilliant!! Yes, I agree. And unfortunately that is why all this information about the patent did not help me identify the bag's mark which is an unusual 3-d cube/square nut with the letter "E" and another letter or symbol.

     
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  3. antique85

    antique85 Well-Known Member

    Breakthrough Finally:!!! I noticed some marks under the square nut symbol and it says "B" and "M" or "H" 8-400. I am going to research this. If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.
     
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  4. antique85

    antique85 Well-Known Member

    Perhaps, someone might find this "sidebar" on Elizabeth Arden High end bags interesting:

    After searching through the patents of Groove Lock, and trying to locate a company or designer that used one of their patents, I discovered that Elizabeth Arden cited one such patent: "https://patents.google.com/patent/US2973023A/en?inventor=Elizabeth+N+Graham". So, I thought maybe the letters on my clutch bag could be “E” and “A.” (However, this may be wrong because the logos in the Elizabeth Arden bags I saw online stated “Elizabeth Arden” not "E" and "A")

    I also found information about a high-end Elizabeth Arden line of bags which I found to be interesting—because I thought it was just a cosmetics company.
    " Besides its renown as a beauty emporium, Elizabeth Arden retailed high-end fashion and accessories in its flagship Fifth Ave. location," stated this 1stdibs page,
    "https://www.1stdibs.com/fashion/han...en-1960s-black-alligator-handbag/id-v_292252/"
     
  5. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    I don't see the Elizabeth Arden branding on that bag. Am I missing something?

    Debora
     
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  6. antique85

    antique85 Well-Known Member

    My mistake. What I forgot to say is the following: Looking closely at the logo (below) instead of it being a "P" the line on the right side I thought it may have worn off and continue down and be a capital "A".
    Correction: Now, I think I am wrong. Whoops! Not sure what that second "letter" or "symbol" is. But since I ended up with the information about high-end Elizabeth Arden bags, I thought it might be of interest.


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  7. antique85

    antique85 Well-Known Member

    Discovery: I think the clasp may be very unusual--it slides to the side to open and then back to the center to close.

    Has anyone seen a clasp like this on any other bags?

    (At first, I could not figure out how to close the bag. Then I looked at the patent and realized to do this 1.) the large top part of clasp is moved to the side (2nd photo). Then I shut the bag 3. Then the large top part of the clasp is moved to the middle and engages the small tab as shown in 3rd and 4th picture and the bag is closed. 6.JPG


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