Featured Some sort of stationary something? What are these Ivory objects?

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by RachelW, Dec 27, 2023.

  1. sabre123

    sabre123 Well-Known Member

    That looks like a Victorian era 'propelling' pencil on the right to me. If so, it does not appear to be broken. Here's a look at the end of another:

    pencil.jpg
     
  2. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Well-Known Member

    Good Grief, komo!
    An' I try so hard to be relevant!
     
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  3. RachelW

    RachelW Well-Known Member

    Both of us, I think the spelling function is missing from me :hilarious: although in my defense I did think it was Schrödinger xD
     
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  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    my Dad smoked many pipes.....I too had a few gems, but it was not for me...still..
    i.v had this since then...
    . IMG_5448.jpg IMG_5449.jpg
     
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  5. RachelW

    RachelW Well-Known Member

    Lovely, great bit of history then! Ty.
    That does indeed look similar! Fantastic thanks Sabre.
     
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  6. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

    I read the year on the paper as 1947.
     
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  7. RachelW

    RachelW Well-Known Member

    Oh lookie there, it does look like it. I was searching for a year down at the bottom with the 20th of June inscription.
     
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  8. LucyLocket

    LucyLocket Well-Known Member

    upload_2023-12-28_11-3-28.png I upload_2023-12-28_11-3-28.png I wonder if the first word could be Chanzy (Algeria)? I think the middle words could be "Sgt" (sergeant) followed by a surname. The bottom word looks like "demobilise" or similar to me.
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Yes, the something is 'Démobilisé', so demobilised (from the armed forces) in 1920.

    I think I would rather not know what a shcrodinger is.:shame::bag:
    It is all French, with a surname that could be of Ukrainian origin.
    It could be. Chanzy is a French surname, but according to Wikipedia there is indeed an Algerian community that is also known as Chanzy, after the first Frenchman to settle there.
    Overhere you can sell ivory privately without certificate, but I don't know how long for.

    The cigarette holder is ivory, but the other two look like they could be bone.
     
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  10. LucyLocket

    LucyLocket Well-Known Member

    I read the dates as being 1940s. If so Chanzy (and Sergeant) would fit with the North Africa campaign in WWll.
     
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  11. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

    Funny thing, I searched Chanzy and got nothing at all. :blackeye:
     
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  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    As far as I know, the 1940 campaign was in Lybia and Egypt, so the eastern half of North Africa. It spread to Algeria later on.

    But this doesn't have to be WWII related, there were French military in Algeria ever since the mid 19th century, when Algeria became a French colony.
     
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  13. LucyLocket

    LucyLocket Well-Known Member

    As I said, the reason I made the WWll connection was because the date looked to me to read "194 ?" (not necessarily the actual year1940) but I couldn't make out the last number. The Fifth Army certainly had training centres in Morocco & Algeria in 1942/43. The Field Officers Training Centre was established in Chanzy in early 1943.
    Of course if it is an entirely different date I'm barking up the wrong tree anyway!
     
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  14. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    you....search......found nothing...:jawdrop:....... I'm aghast !! ...... :wideyed:
    or, a guest ! ..... I'm never quite sure..;):playful::playful::playful::playful:
     
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    This is an item with a French text, found in France. The place name is in a French colony. What makes you think the sergeant was not French, albeit with a Ukrainian sounding name?
    And the date, whether 1920, which Rachel and I read, or 1940, has a zero at the end, so it is either 1920 or 1940, which means 1942/43 is too late a date.
     
  16. LucyLocket

    LucyLocket Well-Known Member

    I had no idea where the item was found other than somewhere within the EU.
    As to the date (at the top) I have said a couple of times now that I cannot make out the last number. To my eyes it could possibly be 1942 or 1947 but I just can't tell. I thought Rachel had said that the bottom date was 20 June with no year shown? That's how it looks to me too.
    Of course the Sergeant could have been French but with that surname I just wondered if he could possibly have been with the US army that's all.
     
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  17. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    The Americans landed in North Africa in 1943, at least during WWII. The top line looks like Chanzy [something] 1942, and if so American doesn't fit.
     
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  18. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Schrodinger's lines -- they could be there and they could not be there...:D
     
  19. LucyLocket

    LucyLocket Well-Known Member

    US troops first landed there as part of Operation Torch (8 - 16 November 1942) which was the Anglo-American Allied invasion of French Algeria & Morocco.
     
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  20. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    You're right, Rachel didn't. I read '20 on the label, which is usually 1920, which is what I assumed it to mean.

    But that still leaves the French language.
    I'm sorry, but your reasoning just doesn't make sense to me, I can't see any logic to it. Why would a French language item with a name from a French colony be American? Even if the date was in the 1940s?

    Btw, there are Dutch people with a Ukrainian surname as well. And most refugees from the 1917 Russian revolution fled to France. Ukraine was part of Russia at the time.
     
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