Silver on copper neo classical plate

Again, getting detail from closeup, I think she is sitting, not crouching.

 

On reflection, yes it does.

 

I’m truly sorry, Chinoiserie — it didn’t even occur to me that you did something to the photo. Let alone to deceive anyone! The entire scene just looked to me like something one of those photo generating AIs would dream up if asked to make a classical mythology scene. I didn’t even know it was a photo taken by you.

The scene is apparently supposed to have been dreamt up by a follower of Hans Jacob Bayer. There's lots more about it in the link if you are interested.

“Antique 18th-19th century circular bronze plaque-dish in the Renaissance manner "Minerva leads the personification of painting into the circle of Arts and Sciences," after Hans Jakob Bayr (1574 – 1628), Augsburg, Germany.

The bronze plaque, beautifully cast in relief, depicts the goddess Minerva (Athena in Greek mythology), introducing the personification of "Painting" into the circle of liberal arts. Female figures personify the Seven Liberal Arts. They are Grammar, Rhetoric, Logic, Arithmetic, Geometry, Music, and Astronomy with their tools, books, and instruments around them.”

https://www.trocadero.com/stores/10...ze-Plaque-Minerva-Athena-after-Hans-Jakob-Bay

I don’t know if it’s the Zeitgeist or something, but it seems to me it is very easy to ruffle feathers here, without meaning to. :-(

 

Just in case we have a language problem— a photo artefact is just an anomaly in the photo — a mistake, so to speak— created by lighting etc . So not something done by the photographer but the equipment to create a false impression. Like in this case, I saw some copper in the first photos and a lot more in the subsequent one so I suspected it might be due to the light, except for a spot on the underside.

 

Thanks for the references. Sorry we got off on cross purposes.

 

yeah dont think its silver, but always think weight is a good indicator of age with something like this

its got good honest wear, and looks quite a thick plate, would think its been around for a while

thought i could see something here, but could be nothing

 

Bayr's painting got a new owner just last year:

https://www.mutualart.com/Artist/Hans-Jacob-Bayr/9AC33F394C7C4F8D/Biography

 

@Chinoiserie, the FIRST enlarged image you posted...either my eyes have gone bonkers, or BOTH those individuals (with the questionable feet!) have BREASTS!! Or maybe an explanation from @Bronwen?????

 

agreed, a lovely little pert pair as well

 

The muddle of feet belong to the goddess Athena &, as we have learned, the Allegory or Personification of the Art of Painting. Allegorical figures are female most of the time, so you have to expect some breasts here & there.

I'm more puzzled by what I see as a fully armed male reading a book in the front of the group of Liberal Arts. I suppose he's supposed to be Logic.

 

well he is male

im gonna get in trouble in a minute

 

The subject is Minerva visiting the Muses on Helicon from Ovid's Metamorphosis, I would suspect. I don't know which exact painting this is... because there are a LOT of them...but semi or full nakedness is in some of them. That's what gals did at the Muse Retreat I guess.

 

I don’t know if it’s the Zeitgeist or something, but it seems to me it is very easy to ruffle feathers here, without meaning to. :-(

and just as easy to un-ruffle them , when no offence was meant !!!

 

I can’t find any paintings by Hans Jacob Bayr. Looks like he was only working in metal. The tableau in question has been attributed to Bayr — or it is variously described as being made by someone “in his circle” or “after Bayr.” When it was made also seems to have been in question, though Sotheby’s last year did sell two medallions and described them as made by Bayr.

Description
German, 16th century, Attributed to Hans Jacob Bayr (1574 - 1628)
The Rape of the Sabine Women and Minerva introducing Painting into the circle of the Liberal Arts

a pair of gilt copper medallion
Diam. 6 in., 15 cm

Apologies in advance for being a b****y perfectionist.

 

apologies accepted.........!

 

i gotta quit on the dark remarks

gonna be a filtered charlie from know on

precious b*****ds

 

I will have a closer look when I get home.

 

This may come as a shock to you, but when you see boobs it is usually a woman. Same with curvaceous hips together with a slender waist.

 

Word of the day: callipygous.

 

I’ve been sitting on my hands not to reply to this, but the definition of the w-word is hotly contested now. And the PC term for the b-word is “a chest.” As in “chestfeeding.”

And please don’t shoot the messenger. I’ve had the pleasure of having my stuff sensitivity-read.

Edit. Can’t think of a suitable smiley to use…