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<p>[QUOTE="DragonflyWink, post: 3751934, member: 111"]Ughhh - was busy all day yesterday, but this darned thing had me popping back to look at it whenever I'd take a break. It's a pretty piece, personally, would doubt any earlier than mid 20th century, but not finding anything that pins down its origin - the filigree design is simple, could be from numerous places (but those flattened 'balls' a bit uncommon), same with the lobed form and the hammering, the extended rim isn't particularly common, and the way the stones set is unusual. Honestly don't know where it's from, but will post a few random thoughts, and hope someone else has better luck.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Mexican was my first quick impression, mostly just because of the lobed shape, and the Czech glass cabochons, often called 'Hubbell' stones/beads when found in mid 20th century Mexican silver jewelry or bit earlier Navajo pieces - but nothing else about it seemed right. Those feet look so familiar, and believe I've seen similar before, but its not coming to me, and can't find anything (have seen similar feet on pieces before, but just plain half-spheres), and the font of the incuse '925' is interesting, but nothing that would really place it. A number of different countries had/have silver makers that only mark the fineness, and started running through those that came to mind, but didn't really find much - so without any specific reason, my wild guess is that it might be Israeli, and I'm just not gonna think about it anymore...</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Though not really similar in shape and construction, the two Israeli bowls below do have flat extended rims - but they're definitely a reach:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-HAZORFIM-800-SILVER-SMALL-BOWL-JUDAICA-JEWISH-HEBREW-ISRAEL-39gr/233424694443?_trksid=p2485497.m4902.l9144" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-HAZORFIM-800-SILVER-SMALL-BOWL-JUDAICA-JEWISH-HEBREW-ISRAEL-39gr/233424694443?_trksid=p2485497.m4902.l9144" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-HAZORFIM-800-SILVER-SMALL-BOWL-JUDAICA-JEWISH-HEBREW-ISRAEL-39gr/233424694443?_trksid=p2485497.m4902.l9144</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]314569[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-STERLING-SILVER-HAZORFIM-925-JUDAICA-BOWL-139-Grams-diameter-6-4-inches/254748546616?hash=item3b50325638:g:KUsAAOSwAmtfhus8" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-STERLING-SILVER-HAZORFIM-925-JUDAICA-BOWL-139-Grams-diameter-6-4-inches/254748546616?hash=item3b50325638:g:KUsAAOSwAmtfhus8" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-STERLING-SILVER-HAZORFIM-925-JUDAICA-BOWL-139-Grams-diameter-6-4-inches/254748546616?hash=item3b50325638:g:KUsAAOSwAmtfhus8</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]314568[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Just a pretty Israeli brooch with similar motif and a glass stone (have seen Israeli jewelry with the turquoise glass), but as said, a very common design:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://il.bidspirit.com/ui/lotPage/source/catalog/auction/4240/lot/128425/Bezalel-filigree-sterling-935?lang=en" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://il.bidspirit.com/ui/lotPage/source/catalog/auction/4240/lot/128425/Bezalel-filigree-sterling-935?lang=en" rel="nofollow">https://il.bidspirit.com/ui/lotPage/source/catalog/auction/4240/lot/128425/Bezalel-filigree-sterling-935?lang=en</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]314567[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This 925 enamel piece, coincidentally located in Israel, also has an extended rim, and is lobed with visible hammer marks, but I think more just not well-finished rather than for attractive effect as on yours, it also has the half-sphere feet I mentioned (wonder why no vent-holes on these or yours) - would definitely question the seller's description:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-ANTIQUE-OPIUM-BOWL-CHINESE-EXPORT-HAMMERED-SILVER-FILIGREE-ENAMEL-PLATE/310689064255?hash=item485682e53f:g:-VYAAOxyhPxREKl1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-ANTIQUE-OPIUM-BOWL-CHINESE-EXPORT-HAMMERED-SILVER-FILIGREE-ENAMEL-PLATE/310689064255?hash=item485682e53f:g:-VYAAOxyhPxREKl1" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-ANTIQUE-OPIUM-BOWL-CHINESE-EXPORT-HAMMERED-SILVER-FILIGREE-ENAMEL-PLATE/310689064255?hash=item485682e53f:g:-VYAAOxyhPxREKl1</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]314570[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This seller, with two very similar pieces, marked 'HAND MADE 1000', believes them to be Indian, more likely, but would question the age suggested:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.rubylane.com/item/1497431-WSI-8601z/c-1890s-Pair-Silver-Salt-Dishes" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.rubylane.com/item/1497431-WSI-8601z/c-1890s-Pair-Silver-Salt-Dishes" rel="nofollow">https://www.rubylane.com/item/1497431-WSI-8601z/c-1890s-Pair-Silver-Salt-Dishes</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]314580[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>~Cheryl[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DragonflyWink, post: 3751934, member: 111"]Ughhh - was busy all day yesterday, but this darned thing had me popping back to look at it whenever I'd take a break. It's a pretty piece, personally, would doubt any earlier than mid 20th century, but not finding anything that pins down its origin - the filigree design is simple, could be from numerous places (but those flattened 'balls' a bit uncommon), same with the lobed form and the hammering, the extended rim isn't particularly common, and the way the stones set is unusual. Honestly don't know where it's from, but will post a few random thoughts, and hope someone else has better luck. Mexican was my first quick impression, mostly just because of the lobed shape, and the Czech glass cabochons, often called 'Hubbell' stones/beads when found in mid 20th century Mexican silver jewelry or bit earlier Navajo pieces - but nothing else about it seemed right. Those feet look so familiar, and believe I've seen similar before, but its not coming to me, and can't find anything (have seen similar feet on pieces before, but just plain half-spheres), and the font of the incuse '925' is interesting, but nothing that would really place it. A number of different countries had/have silver makers that only mark the fineness, and started running through those that came to mind, but didn't really find much - so without any specific reason, my wild guess is that it might be Israeli, and I'm just not gonna think about it anymore... Though not really similar in shape and construction, the two Israeli bowls below do have flat extended rims - but they're definitely a reach: [URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-HAZORFIM-800-SILVER-SMALL-BOWL-JUDAICA-JEWISH-HEBREW-ISRAEL-39gr/233424694443?_trksid=p2485497.m4902.l9144[/URL] [ATTACH=full]314569[/ATTACH] [URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-STERLING-SILVER-HAZORFIM-925-JUDAICA-BOWL-139-Grams-diameter-6-4-inches/254748546616?hash=item3b50325638:g:KUsAAOSwAmtfhus8[/URL] [ATTACH=full]314568[/ATTACH] Just a pretty Israeli brooch with similar motif and a glass stone (have seen Israeli jewelry with the turquoise glass), but as said, a very common design: [URL]https://il.bidspirit.com/ui/lotPage/source/catalog/auction/4240/lot/128425/Bezalel-filigree-sterling-935?lang=en[/URL] [ATTACH=full]314567[/ATTACH] This 925 enamel piece, coincidentally located in Israel, also has an extended rim, and is lobed with visible hammer marks, but I think more just not well-finished rather than for attractive effect as on yours, it also has the half-sphere feet I mentioned (wonder why no vent-holes on these or yours) - would definitely question the seller's description: [URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-ANTIQUE-OPIUM-BOWL-CHINESE-EXPORT-HAMMERED-SILVER-FILIGREE-ENAMEL-PLATE/310689064255?hash=item485682e53f:g:-VYAAOxyhPxREKl1[/URL] [ATTACH=full]314570[/ATTACH] This seller, with two very similar pieces, marked 'HAND MADE 1000', believes them to be Indian, more likely, but would question the age suggested: [URL]https://www.rubylane.com/item/1497431-WSI-8601z/c-1890s-Pair-Silver-Salt-Dishes[/URL] [ATTACH=full]314580[/ATTACH] ~Cheryl[/QUOTE]
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