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<p>[QUOTE="benbenny007, post: 219627, member: 4194"]Somebody just told me the artist is Frank Dean 1865 - 1947</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="4"><b>I have my doubts and presented him with the picture below. Think the letter K has a loop and Frank Dean did not sign like that. I alsi think that the last letter are probably dubble L or dubble T ? </b></font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>any second opinions?</b> </font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><a href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/Ben_Amrani/media/20170304_215445ss_zpsjdr49o2x.jpg.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://s37.photobucket.com/user/Ben_Amrani/media/20170304_215445ss_zpsjdr49o2x.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e77/Ben_Amrani/20170304_215445ss_zpsjdr49o2x.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></b></font></p><p><br /></p><p><font size="4"><b>This is the info I received from the person. </b></font></p><p><font size="4"><br /></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>''I'm not convinced it's a loop in the K. If we were to consider every black line as part of the signature, i can see umlauts and a line which connects the N and K. </b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>It's a faded signature with a photo take at an angle and some of those dark horizontals are just the canvas stitches.</b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>Dean put hyphens after his name, sometimes wrote the location or date and that's why it appears longer.</b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><a href="http://gallery.nen.gov.uk/asset658800_14080-e2bn.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://gallery.nen.gov.uk/asset658800_14080-e2bn.html" rel="nofollow">http://gallery.nen.gov.uk/asset658800_14080-e2bn.html</a></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><a href="http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2008/19th-century-european-art-including-the-orientalist-sale-n08431/lot.148.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2008/19th-century-european-art-including-the-orientalist-sale-n08431/lot.148.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2008/19th-century-european-art-including-the-orientalist-sale-n08431/lot.148.html</a></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>( both upper case )</b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><a href="https://static.artuk.org/w1200h1200/WYL/WYL_LMG_012_021.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://static.artuk.org/w1200h1200/WYL/WYL_LMG_012_021.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://static.artuk.org/w1200h1200/WYL/WYL_LMG_012_021.jpg</a></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><a href="https://static.artuk.org/w1200h1200/WYL/WYL_LMG_039_03.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://static.artuk.org/w1200h1200/WYL/WYL_LMG_039_03.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://static.artuk.org/w1200h1200/WYL/WYL_LMG_039_03.jpg</a></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>( lower case, the latter with a date )</b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><a href="https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/ca6ad7b5-a793-4ffe-8be6-a68601114cf3/2963fc01-9b9e-454e-863d-a6860114dd68/original.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/ca6ad7b5-a793-4ffe-8be6-a68601114cf3/2963fc01-9b9e-454e-863d-a6860114dd68/original.jpg" rel="nofollow">https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/ca6ad7b5-a793-4ffe-8be6-a68601114cf3/2963fc01-9b9e-454e-863d-a6860114dd68/original.jpg</a></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>( upper case with a full stop, slash and date )</b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>So what you presume to be letters of a longer surname could be full stops, hyphens or numbers</b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>Finally, these two paintings</b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><a href="http://images1.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2011-05/12/8312743-1-3.JPG&width=640&height=480&autosizefit=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://images1.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2011-05/12/8312743-1-3.JPG&width=640&height=480&autosizefit=1" rel="nofollow">http://images1.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2011-05/12/8312743-1-3.JPG&width=640&height=480&autosizefit=1</a></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><a href="http://www.hoteldesventesdegeneve.auction.fr/_fr/lot/frank-dean-1865-1947-paysage-automnal-au-moulin-huile-sur-carton-signee-et-7554354#.WMNQcaJBrIU" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.hoteldesventesdegeneve.auction.fr/_fr/lot/frank-dean-1865-1947-paysage-automnal-au-moulin-huile-sur-carton-signee-et-7554354#.WMNQcaJBrIU" rel="nofollow">http://www.hoteldesventesdegeneve.auction.fr/_fr/lot/frank-dean-1865-1947-paysage-automnal-au-moulin-huile-sur-carton-signee-et-7554354#.WMNQcaJBrIU</a></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>More impressionist, like the one from the first post in this thread</b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>Some auctioneers have listed his dates as 1865 to 1907 but that last year is when he flourished ( 1885-1907 ). He was born in 1865, died 1947. </b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b><br /></b></font></p><p><font size="4"><b>The painting might even be France, where he lived in his late teens / early 20s.'' </b></font></p><p><font size="4"></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="benbenny007, post: 219627, member: 4194"]Somebody just told me the artist is Frank Dean 1865 - 1947 [SIZE=4][B]I have my doubts and presented him with the picture below. Think the letter K has a loop and Frank Dean did not sign like that. I alsi think that the last letter are probably dubble L or dubble T ? [/B] [B]any second opinions?[/B] [B][URL='http://s37.photobucket.com/user/Ben_Amrani/media/20170304_215445ss_zpsjdr49o2x.jpg.html'][IMG]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e77/Ben_Amrani/20170304_215445ss_zpsjdr49o2x.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][B]This is the info I received from the person. [/B] [B][/B] [B]''I'm not convinced it's a loop in the K. If we were to consider every black line as part of the signature, i can see umlauts and a line which connects the N and K. It's a faded signature with a photo take at an angle and some of those dark horizontals are just the canvas stitches. Dean put hyphens after his name, sometimes wrote the location or date and that's why it appears longer. [URL]http://gallery.nen.gov.uk/asset658800_14080-e2bn.html[/URL] [URL]http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2008/19th-century-european-art-including-the-orientalist-sale-n08431/lot.148.html[/URL] ( both upper case ) [URL]https://static.artuk.org/w1200h1200/WYL/WYL_LMG_012_021.jpg[/URL] [URL]https://static.artuk.org/w1200h1200/WYL/WYL_LMG_039_03.jpg[/URL] ( lower case, the latter with a date ) [URL]https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/ca6ad7b5-a793-4ffe-8be6-a68601114cf3/2963fc01-9b9e-454e-863d-a6860114dd68/original.jpg[/URL] ( upper case with a full stop, slash and date ) So what you presume to be letters of a longer surname could be full stops, hyphens or numbers Finally, these two paintings [URL]http://images1.bonhams.com/image?src=Images/live/2011-05/12/8312743-1-3.JPG&width=640&height=480&autosizefit=1[/URL] [URL]http://www.hoteldesventesdegeneve.auction.fr/_fr/lot/frank-dean-1865-1947-paysage-automnal-au-moulin-huile-sur-carton-signee-et-7554354#.WMNQcaJBrIU[/URL] More impressionist, like the one from the first post in this thread Some auctioneers have listed his dates as 1865 to 1907 but that last year is when he flourished ( 1885-1907 ). He was born in 1865, died 1947. The painting might even be France, where he lived in his late teens / early 20s.'' [/B] [B][/B][/SIZE][/QUOTE]
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