sea landscape, 19th century?

I do not know how to explain it correctly in English. I can not find the right words)). For example, in this picture the mustache is a "record", not the author's layer of painting.

http://veronicasart.com/the-salvato...-is-it-real-or-fake-da-vincis-orb-is-not-his/



It seems to be called this "process of discovery"?

 

By the way the thickness of the board at the picture is 1 centimeter.The size of the picture is 56 by 40 centimeters I wonder what it can mean))?

 

Jivvy means that the fact that she likes your painting is just a personal note, and it is not something that is useful to you to get more information.

 

I found what it's called:

"The removed overpainting".

X-ray showed the presence of repainting( overpainting)in the picture. And this repainting(overpainting) was removed, with the exception of the crest of the incoming wave, since it was not clear whether the author's painting was preserved under repainting (overpainting).

The signature was in the same bad condition and before the process of discovery of the painting.

 

Thanks a lot! And still there are some other options of reading of the signature))?

Well several letters were erased almost to ground as I have understood.

Here are photos without compression.

 

I understand. Unfortunately, understanding does not tell us much about the painting that remains.

Many artists paint over old paintings. For many reasons. I have a friend who used to collect discarded canvases from local art classes because she couldn't afford to buy canvas.

Have you contacted the museum that did the restoration?

 

Well, here are the photos before the restoration.

Do you think that the picture is new))?

At the seller the picture lay about 10 years, it already at that time was very dark.

Well, the restoration was done by the employee of the museum, which is a friend of the seller.

She made the restoration work almost free. And since this work in the museum is more expensive than the picture, about $ 500.

I bought a painting for 120 dollars.

Expertise of the picture was not conducted. They made only an x-ray of painting, where they found overpainting.

Expertise in the museum costs about 300 dollars.
It is hardly advisable to make an examination of the painting for $ 300, at a painting price of $ 120))?

About the dating of the picture is not entirely clear, most likely that the picture of the 19th century. Well, as there are layers of more recent painting (repainting), the old varnish.

Well, the restoration was done by an employee of the Russian Museum in St. Petersburg. This is one of the main museums in Russia.
http://www.rusmuseum.ru

About stylistics is difficult to say. What do you think?

 

I'll try to write to the Tretyakov Gallery.

Quite possibly they will answer me. Previously, they answered)).

But the answer can be long, for example, a week. Tonight I'll write to them.

https://www.tretyakovgallery.ru

And there are some museums in the US or Europe that can respond for free to an e-mail))?

 

I do not know any that would provide an evaluation for free in response to an email.

I have found people are much more responsive to inquires when you can walk into their building and hand them an object to examine. So, it is best if you can find someone local to start with.

 

When I first looked at the painting, I saw influences of J.M.W. Turner. Although, this is a bit more refined. That took me down the path of Romanticism. I found the following Russian painter in the same genre:

Ivan Konstantinovich Aivazovsky:



Take a look at more of his works. There are a lot of similarities. [edit] more than likely, a later work by someone who was influenced by the Romantics...

 

I think "influenced by" is absolutely fair.

 

Yes, and it would be nice if the zoom in wasn't so...zoomed in to see a clearer image. [edit] And it also appears he used his last name only in his sig. I just saw a couple of Aivazovsky paintings that were sold by the same gallery SSlava mentions: Tretyakov. Not a surprise since it's in Russia[edit]

 

I just don't think the possessed skills are comparable.

 

The more I look, the more I agree, Jivvs. It's done with skill, just not to the level at which the other works are done.

 

What does it mean))? What other work))?

And what do you think about the level of writing this picture? Is the work as a whole professional?

Well this is definitely not Ayvazovsky. Although the style is very similar. Aivazovsky level is higher, than this picture (but I have seen by the way and relatively simple pictures, which are not much better than this one even).

That is, this picture may well be written in the era of Romanticism?

 

That is, this picture can be written somewhere in the first half of the 19th century, in the era of Romanticism?

And if under the influence of Romanticism, it means already the second half of the 19th century))?

Well, the museum said that the picture was about the end of the 19th century, that is, already under the influence of Romanticism. But they are not sure exactly.

But almost certainly this picture is already antique, that is, it is already about 100 years old.

 

what does it mean))? What skills?
Of course this is not Turner or Aivazovsky, but the picture is quite good))?

If it would have been Turner's level, most likely the artist would have been famous)).

Although the signature can not be disassembled.

In that era there were many little-known artists.

 

Here is an example of a simple work of Aivazovsky

 

And other works, it is what))? What artists? Of course, it is Ayvazovsky or Turner's not level. On that they and the famous artists.
Undoubtedly, Aivazovsky's level is higher than that of this artist.
By the way, in the 19th century there was a whole circle of artists who painted pictures in his style.

Such a style at the time was in demand. The work was less talented and imitative, but generally good.

My friend has a picture of Aivazovsky's pupil.



If the 19th century to take, pictures of unknown artists who drew such horror)).
Drawings similar to nurseries, or very inept artists, but precisely antique works. But are written very badly.

This picture is it seems painted at quite average level for those times?
If to take not strongly talented, but nevertheless already professional artists?

Well in live the picture looks beautifully. Of course, it is better to look at her at some distance.