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<p>[QUOTE="Ce BCA, post: 4137024, member: 18716"]From our perspective things were so different when you go back that far in time that we forget how little knowledge was around and how difficult communication was. In the 17th century things were often produced from a verbal description which is why things like lions and zebras often look so wrong in depictions. So the plate may have been produced from a sketch, a correct technical reproduction or simply a verbal discussion. This can usually be determined by researching the house as there will usually be a correct official coat of arms on documents for example. Coats of arms do also change, due to political issues, war and family simply wanting a change. If lucky this will be documented in a museum online or the house documents may be published online, otherwise it means going to the house and searching the documents!</p><p><br /></p><p>The plate being held up with the green mark looks mid to late 19th century, by this time all sorts of offshoots will have happened, families branch. People also make up their own from elements they have seen elsewhere and like. In the 19th century 'New Money' would have to make up their own crests as their families were not historic and didn't come with centuries of documentation, just oral tradition passed down with all their faults, errors and bias.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm not trying to put you off looking, but be aware that in most cases there simply isn't a possibility of arriving at an answer, there can only be speculation as no records exist to provide confirmation. It's why such 19th century pieces have a general price range and those rare pieces with provenance backed up by history shine so far above in price. It is fun searching and speculating, just don't be disappointed if you can't come up with anything firm, this is case most times.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ce BCA, post: 4137024, member: 18716"]From our perspective things were so different when you go back that far in time that we forget how little knowledge was around and how difficult communication was. In the 17th century things were often produced from a verbal description which is why things like lions and zebras often look so wrong in depictions. So the plate may have been produced from a sketch, a correct technical reproduction or simply a verbal discussion. This can usually be determined by researching the house as there will usually be a correct official coat of arms on documents for example. Coats of arms do also change, due to political issues, war and family simply wanting a change. If lucky this will be documented in a museum online or the house documents may be published online, otherwise it means going to the house and searching the documents! The plate being held up with the green mark looks mid to late 19th century, by this time all sorts of offshoots will have happened, families branch. People also make up their own from elements they have seen elsewhere and like. In the 19th century 'New Money' would have to make up their own crests as their families were not historic and didn't come with centuries of documentation, just oral tradition passed down with all their faults, errors and bias. I'm not trying to put you off looking, but be aware that in most cases there simply isn't a possibility of arriving at an answer, there can only be speculation as no records exist to provide confirmation. It's why such 19th century pieces have a general price range and those rare pieces with provenance backed up by history shine so far above in price. It is fun searching and speculating, just don't be disappointed if you can't come up with anything firm, this is case most times.[/QUOTE]
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