Featured Religious Scene..Jesus before or after Judgement..??? Think It is XIXth Cent..Not signed

Discussion in 'Art' started by BTZ64, Feb 6, 2020.

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Period of this Painting..!! XIXth Cent..??

  1. Origine of this Painting..Italy..France..Spain..??

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  2. Any idea who might have painted it..??

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  1. BTZ64

    BTZ64 JB64000

    Just answered you on it..Understood Big Time..!! Very interesting indeed..!!!
     
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  2. BTZ64

    BTZ64 JB64000

    On this 18th Cent ...I am not so sure...The Painting looks quite naive I would say...Naive Portuguese or Spanish Painters from Beginning of the 19th Then..But the back of the painting with nailing and all ,ooks very older indeed....Big Questions Now..??? Anybody else has an idea..Proof..Comments..Facts...I am sure than You and Me would love to share..JB
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is a classic 'Ecce Homo' painting, and I agree, it looks 18th century.
    It is the part where Pontius Pilate shows Jesus to the crowd and says 'Ecce Homo' or 'behold the man', and the crowd mocks Jesus. Jesus has already been flogged and is forced to hold the scourge (not a palm frond), a 'king's' robe is thrown over his shoulders and they have put the crown of thorns on his head.

    Here is the same subject painted by Cigoli in 1607:

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  4. BTZ64

    BTZ64 JB64000

     
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  5. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Maybe you will come a little closer when you google 'Ecce Homo' painting. Yours could be an early copy of a better known one.
     
  6. BTZ64

    BTZ64 JB64000

    Right now..!! Thanks
     
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  7. BTZ64

    BTZ64 JB64000

    Thanks again for your Knowledge and Direction......Just was having a look not only Google ,but as well on some Religious paintings websites...For me this painting is a part of one of those series images painted depicting the Stations of Christ...A thing you can see very often in small or semi big Old Churches....For the period Painted..I am almost sure it is not so old...Despite the stae of the back...But,,The Naivety,Lack of expressive finished details,Faces expression..Etc...For me Latin early XIXth Cent Naive Church Painter.....I can be wrong..!! Would be so happy anybody to tell what I didn't know or still what I don't know..And be always thankfully to all of them.
     
  8. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    The 18th century was the age of science and enlightenment and therefore the least religious era.

    No significant religious works of art were produced during the 18thc and it was not until the 19thc that religion took hold once again.

    First impressions of your painting (from the photographs) is that the fabric support and construction look 19thc. Why the reverse of the canvas has been gessoed/bole painted is odd - I have not seen that before and I think it may have been done to prevent insect infestation, similar to what has attacked the stretcher. <edit> On a second look it seems to be a layer of paper at the back of the canvas. Again, odd, </edit> It may of course not be the original support, but from what I can see I suggest it is all original.
     
  9. BTZ64

    BTZ64 JB64000

    Thanks very much for this accurate expertise...I learnt the word "ODD" with you...Thanks....So... Frankly speaking this painting has not got any hope to be on any wall of my House...I didn't buy it and will add it for an auction very soon in Kells..Now few questions...Do I try to restore the small accidents on the Painted canvas...?? (I can do it...)Or I leave it such a way..?? As a not very interesting religious painting from the XIXth Cent...How much should I expect from it...And How much should I put a reserve price on it..I was thinking 250 Euros...??? Thanking you....The Mad Odd Basque JB:happy:
     
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  10. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    It's very familiar = especially the guy on the left staring out at the viewer. I think this is a copy of a famous painting. Not familiar with years in Roman numerals so I'll guess it's 1800s
     
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  11. BTZ64

    BTZ64 JB64000

    Would be nice to know if XVIII or XIX th Cent...??? But big thanks for your Message.
     
  12. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I guess it is more of a European thing. XVIII = 18, XIX = 19.
    So Jacques would like to know if it is 18th or 19th century, your guess is 1800s which is 19th. (Or XIXth. ;))
     
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  13. BTZ64

    BTZ64 JB64000

    Yes 100%....Thanks....Hope to have a final Dating...Maybe somebody knows...??
     
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  14. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    u need professional help for this......we can only offer opinions..
     
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  15. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

    You said you sent your other drawing to Boeyermans Auction. So you should have a contact there to ask about this painting. Did you send your other one - if so what have they said?
     
  16. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

    Whoops, meant to say Drouot Auctioneer, not Boeyermans. That was the place you were talking to I believe, can ask about this painting as well.
     
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  17. BTZ64

    BTZ64 JB64000

    Yes you were right Drouot want to see and check the Drawing before Auctions...But as well as Mrs Josipa Malenica from Dorotheum very interested with this drawing and the Holisch Tureen as well.Only problem is the frame in Solid ebony with glass weigths 6kg...Have asked if they have somebody representing their company in Dublin Ireland..?? Waiting for responses.jb
     
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  18. BTZ64

    BTZ64 JB64000

    Thanks Very Instructive
     
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