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<p>[QUOTE="Any Jewelry, post: 315124, member: 2844"]Agree, not a perfect word, but more inclusive than tribal.</p><p><br /></p><p>The original meaning of tribe comes from Tribus, a term used for the organization of the three Patrician groups in ancient Rome. If you belonged to one those groups you had legal status.</p><p>In European colonial times tribe was adopted and adapted to mean the following, from Wikipedia:</p><p><br /></p><p>“A <b>tribe</b> is viewed, developmentally or historically, as a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_group" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_group" rel="nofollow">social group</a> existing outside of or before the development of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)" rel="nofollow">states</a>. A tribe is a group of distinct people, dependent on their land for their livelihood, who are largely self-sufficient, and not integrated into the national society.”</p><p><br /></p><p>The Dutch word for tribe is ‘stam’, the same as for tree trunk. It relates to one’s origin or heritage, the same idea as a family tree. Most Germanic languages have a similar word.</p><p>We refer to tribal art or objects as ethnographic, a term which is also used for European regional or folk art and objects.</p><p><br /></p><p>Tribe is a European colonial term which is still used in strongly Western (British) influenced cultures. Other cultures have other concepts of social organizational structures.</p><p>Just to give an example of Indonesia (of course), a country which for thousands of years has had very diverse and complex social organizational structures:</p><p>Most pre-colonial Indonesians lived in one of the Princely or Royal States, a small number lived in tribes and sectarian groups. The sectarian groups are traditionalist/religious groups which chose a secluded life away from the organization of the Princely States, but often lived inside the boundaries of those states. Anthropologists, in their wisdom, tend to refer to these sects as tribes(!).</p><p>There was no classification of the different social organizational structures, the perception was simply that other groups or nations had other customs. Just like your neighbours will do things differently from you. The different social organizational structures were never seen as developmental stages.</p><p>There is still no word for tribe in modern Indonesian. I hope it stays that way.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=";)" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie49" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> All for it.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/cool.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":cool:" unselectable="on" /></p><p>There is a slight difference though. A clan is an extended family group or a group with a common ancestor. That can be a mythical ancestor. A clan usually lives within another social organizational structure.</p><p>To complicate matters, many tribes also believe they are descended from a common ancestor.</p><p>And then there are people who adhere to the Bible in the strictest sense. Adam and Eve are also perceived common ancestors.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Any Jewelry, post: 315124, member: 2844"]Agree, not a perfect word, but more inclusive than tribal. The original meaning of tribe comes from Tribus, a term used for the organization of the three Patrician groups in ancient Rome. If you belonged to one those groups you had legal status. In European colonial times tribe was adopted and adapted to mean the following, from Wikipedia: “A [B]tribe[/B] is viewed, developmentally or historically, as a [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_group']social group[/URL] existing outside of or before the development of [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity)']states[/URL]. A tribe is a group of distinct people, dependent on their land for their livelihood, who are largely self-sufficient, and not integrated into the national society.” The Dutch word for tribe is ‘stam’, the same as for tree trunk. It relates to one’s origin or heritage, the same idea as a family tree. Most Germanic languages have a similar word. We refer to tribal art or objects as ethnographic, a term which is also used for European regional or folk art and objects. Tribe is a European colonial term which is still used in strongly Western (British) influenced cultures. Other cultures have other concepts of social organizational structures. Just to give an example of Indonesia (of course), a country which for thousands of years has had very diverse and complex social organizational structures: Most pre-colonial Indonesians lived in one of the Princely or Royal States, a small number lived in tribes and sectarian groups. The sectarian groups are traditionalist/religious groups which chose a secluded life away from the organization of the Princely States, but often lived inside the boundaries of those states. Anthropologists, in their wisdom, tend to refer to these sects as tribes(!). There was no classification of the different social organizational structures, the perception was simply that other groups or nations had other customs. Just like your neighbours will do things differently from you. The different social organizational structures were never seen as developmental stages. There is still no word for tribe in modern Indonesian. I hope it stays that way. ;):happy: All for it.:cool: There is a slight difference though. A clan is an extended family group or a group with a common ancestor. That can be a mythical ancestor. A clan usually lives within another social organizational structure. To complicate matters, many tribes also believe they are descended from a common ancestor. And then there are people who adhere to the Bible in the strictest sense. Adam and Eve are also perceived common ancestors.[/QUOTE]
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