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<p>[QUOTE="Dawnno, post: 540545, member: 10171"]I'm not an expert, I just happened upon this site, and collect Native American stuff. But what that taught me is human nature, and trust in it (not the humans, just their nature) and to think broadly. And then test it with the minutest of detail and fact, and cross check that again. So my off the cuff observations are as follows, just to add some more ideas to this thread:</p><p><br /></p><p>Why a French transport company? Because France owned French Polynesia. And when you look at the faces of one, it has a 'pacific island' look to the face, not consistent with Europe at all, something a carver might instinctively do or by training. Maybe that will give you a lead. That's where I'd look: formerly French Polynesia. Sound familiar (i.e., benign carvers of the 60s become the fakers today)? </p><p><br /></p><p>The end views show “chop chop chop” on the original plank, and broken off leaving a frayed middle, and not cleaning it off after all that carving. Who does that? mass production?</p><p><br /></p><p>The figure holds a fish in her hand, with semi circular scales punched by a chisel, and thus probably a Christian allegory, for the medieval audience. It’s not literally “holding” the fish like a set of keys. That again might relate to Templar-mania.</p><p><br /></p><p>Hardwood reliefs of SE Asia, includes Polynesia, if “carved to [or in the likeness of]” deities, wherever they are worshipped. Can’t tell what the wood is, but seems to have swirled grain in places, more exotic than not. And the ‘bindi’ – as I read the string, my thought process resulted in the same ‘point-counterpoint’ that actually appeared “it’s a knot, no it’s not, it’s a punch, it’s a ... bindi, probably, maybe a last minute change of order by the shipper? Make it medieval this week, it's just a circle now."</p><p><br /></p><p>And the whole thread of suggestions virtually shows the ‘composite nature’ of the carving, shipped to France somehow from somewhere.</p><p><br /></p><p>“So I [too] can only repeat what everyone, including inh, has said: "Stick with decor with broad terms when describing. Not a traditional item." (Cited from: <a href="https://www.antiquers.com/threads/please-id-date-two-high-wooden-sculptures.32286/page-5)”" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.antiquers.com/threads/please-id-date-two-high-wooden-sculptures.32286/page-5)”">https://www.antiquers.com/threads/please-id-date-two-high-wooden-sculptures.32286/page-5)”</a> But Gian has a point: he will consider it all.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Dawnno, post: 540545, member: 10171"]I'm not an expert, I just happened upon this site, and collect Native American stuff. But what that taught me is human nature, and trust in it (not the humans, just their nature) and to think broadly. And then test it with the minutest of detail and fact, and cross check that again. So my off the cuff observations are as follows, just to add some more ideas to this thread: Why a French transport company? Because France owned French Polynesia. And when you look at the faces of one, it has a 'pacific island' look to the face, not consistent with Europe at all, something a carver might instinctively do or by training. Maybe that will give you a lead. That's where I'd look: formerly French Polynesia. Sound familiar (i.e., benign carvers of the 60s become the fakers today)? The end views show “chop chop chop” on the original plank, and broken off leaving a frayed middle, and not cleaning it off after all that carving. Who does that? mass production? The figure holds a fish in her hand, with semi circular scales punched by a chisel, and thus probably a Christian allegory, for the medieval audience. It’s not literally “holding” the fish like a set of keys. That again might relate to Templar-mania. Hardwood reliefs of SE Asia, includes Polynesia, if “carved to [or in the likeness of]” deities, wherever they are worshipped. Can’t tell what the wood is, but seems to have swirled grain in places, more exotic than not. And the ‘bindi’ – as I read the string, my thought process resulted in the same ‘point-counterpoint’ that actually appeared “it’s a knot, no it’s not, it’s a punch, it’s a ... bindi, probably, maybe a last minute change of order by the shipper? Make it medieval this week, it's just a circle now." And the whole thread of suggestions virtually shows the ‘composite nature’ of the carving, shipped to France somehow from somewhere. “So I [too] can only repeat what everyone, including inh, has said: "Stick with decor with broad terms when describing. Not a traditional item." (Cited from: [URL]https://www.antiquers.com/threads/please-id-date-two-high-wooden-sculptures.32286/page-5)”[/URL] But Gian has a point: he will consider it all.[/QUOTE]
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