Please I need thoughts on this

alsoooo, that blade was for thrusts, imo, overhead thrusts. It has a eared pommel that is supported by the wrist.

 

Doubts have only been "overcome" if both/all parties are in agreement, not when you've only satisfied yourself with the answer.

It sounds like they're simply trying to save you from wasting your money on an item that they feel is not worth the time, effort, and expense. That's a mark of honesty in business.

 

eh. When someone says "those are power tool marks" and I get a microscope and clearly see they are not, that is a doubt overcame. The "expert" may not be satisfied, or even know that I did that lolll.... But my doubt has been overcome. Because I hear all doubts, none so far have turned to concrete.

There is no saving me from wasting my money on this. I appreciate peoples blunt opinions all the same.

 

Exactly. I thought of posting my gold Javanese keris as an example, but wouldn't disrespect its high spiritual value by posting it in a thread which has such words of disdain regarding other cultures and their beliefs.

@skyshark , I get the impression that you tend to post before you think. Please remember that other cultures are not like your own.
Ceremonial, ritual and spiritual daggers and swords are part of many Asian traditions, and highly valued in their cultures. Even Europe has ceremonial swords.
The Iranian gold sword is a valued part of Iranian history and identity.

 

I have respect for other cultures. My disdain is towards pretentious "experts".

 

Just because they tell you something you don't want to hear does not make them pretentious. They are telling you what they know based on their experience.

 

I am not referencing any one specific, to be clear...

But yes absolutely I have received some extremely pretentious opinions. Quite frankly some down right disrespectful opinions too.

Any Jewelry is right though, I tend to post without fulling thinking things through. Maybe I post out of emotion sometimes. I am working on that, for sure. This field is new to me. Antiquities in general throughout my whole life has never interested me. Despite what my items end up being, I now have an interest.

My entire stance is... I know quality. I'm an Airborne (2x wings pinned on me) Veteran. I'm a very selfless person and very intelligent. I only know what I know though. What I know is my swords are very well made. Tons of time and detail was put into crafting these items. This I know for sure. The blades are so perfectly balanced is crazy... Pictures online do not show any depth. I have also not posted any picutres of the patina under a microscope... The crystal formations and pitting into the metal.... I mean its clearly oxidizing from the inside out.... Based on all that... I myself probably sound pretentious... because nothing so far as been a glaring definitive scientific fact that my items are forgeries. EXCEPT the style, since nothing found (that we know of) matches it. I want to argue as well that there is basically no oversight on antiquities and most items found reside in private collection. Any blacksmith or craftsman worth his weight would only be employed by one person, most of the time. So it is not out of the realm of possibilities there are items, tech, swords, anything.. That are ancient and unique and not found yet. Not documents. I could be wrong though... But I'm not wrong about the quality of these blades.

 

We thank you for your service !

& just a personal opinion , your swords are indeed stunning , and someone took a lot of time and effort to make them.
Whom , and when.....I can't say for certain.......wish I could though!

 

If the sword is bronze isn't it cast instead of blacksmith made?

 

One more thought, @skyshark - If your discussions here are typical of the way you have communicated with various "experts", you may not have been receiving the most helpful responses. It may seem "pretentious", but a more professional, less confrontational tone may help persuade people to take your inquiry more seriously.

Archeological information and scientific methods of examination continue to advance and improve. But it can be extremely difficult to determine the authenticity of objects with no known/verified origin, unless and until comparable objects are found in situ.

I hope you can find answers that satisfy you.

 

I wish you could say for certain too lol!. I'll find out though. I'm obviously obsessed with my Dads items and I do not see that ending soon. Even if they are not ancient... Bro, the akinakes I have is a work of art. I wish any sword lover could swing it around. It flows with no effort. I'm considering making YouTube videos on it. Even the eared swords... they are so balanced and sturdy as well. I love how when holding them the ear rests on your wrist... It give sooooo much support. Basically makes the sword and your arm one piece. Unless the sword is hit inward. But if someone tries to parry or move it away, you retain so much control and strength.

Absolutely! Bronze cannot be forged. The edges are case-hardened, if I'm not mistaken.

The Akinakes has lead and iron mixed into the blade as well.. If anything was forged it was the blade alone. The hilt is a separate piece and clearly cast. U can see a 3rd, more gold hue, metal has been applied between them.

Thank you for the advice and kind words.

I will work on being more professional and inquisitive rather than challenging input.

I actually have been talking to the Author of the Arms and Armor from Iran book, Khorasani. After much back and forward I believe we are friends now. Don't let me put words in his mouth lol. He did call me friend though. We have been talking almost daily for a month or so now. Mainly about sword fighting techniques. He gave me good input. Guided me to do a acetone test, hot pin test. A few others. He cant be sure on fake or not. He thinks the patina looks fake. Even though I have a microscope and a digital camera attachment for it, the camera does not capture depth... He said he cannot be sure until he was hands on with them. So basically I'm on here pacing, looking for more info, before I can get an experts time in front of me.

Its driving me CRAZY

 

@Any Jewelry I thought that amulet was cool

 

Thought I'd show some microscope photos . I only forked out for the 2mp attachment. It was hard justifying buying a microscope. Luckily the company I bought from I interviewed for a position with like 6 years ago. The owner hooked me up

 

Possibly, but your disdain towards a culture which you don't understand is demonstrated in this post you posted on Tuesday in this very thread:

So it seems you disdain people who know more about a subject than you do, as well as cultures that use gold for ceremonial items. That is a lot of disdain and negativity, doesn't that wear you out?

Calling someone 'friend' is normal in a lot of Asian cultures, even if you are not really considered a friend. Why even in the Netherlands people will call you friend, or 'my good friend', without actually feeling friendship for you.
And in some Asian cultures they would call you brother, even though you are clearly not their brother.

 

You are assuming a lot. You can't dissect 1 sentence and conclude I am holding deep negativity and disdain. lol....

To your point though, I see what you are saying. I imagine there are a lot of ceremonies in different cultures that utilize gold swords. I hope my ignorance would not deeply offend anyone.

I'm actually a very happy person, well very might be a stretch. I tend to make everyone around me happy too. I'm sorry you're an exception.

My focus in that sentence was the golden persian akinakes btw. I did not mean to reference every other culture, though I see the broadness in my words. "Not thinking before I post"

 

Fun fact, besided the US Army Airborne wings, I was pinned "The Royal Netherlands Parachutist Badge" by the Dutch Special Forces

Ya I understand we are not literally friends . Still better than "Leave me alone you STINK".

 

Nice folk piece. I think it is a pendant though, I don't see anything that indicates its use as an amulet. Amulets either have religious symbols or they are made as amulet cases to hold powerful texts or items.
I prefer the niello necklace though, a very nice piece.

Both were made using genuine old Iranian coins. The coins are of a type introduced in the 1860s, if I'm correct, but used for a long time with small differences from one period to another. @daveydempsey can probably date them for you.

 

I decided to use only one sentence because the rest demonstrated not only disdain and negativivity, it was also very pretentious while clearly lacking any knowledge on the subject. I didn't want to confront you with all that as well, because I know you don't think before you post.
But have it your way, here is the entire post:

 

I stand by that post, honestly. The only think I would remove is "Selfish of Persians".. No need to be inflammatory.

Everything else is just facts, based on my eyeballs.

I feel like you're trying to get me in the octagon or something. Guess were not "friends" or "brothers" loll