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<p>[QUOTE="bluumz, post: 4346634, member: 649"]The translation doesn't say that the letters were <i>used</i> until 1939, just that the meaning of the letters shown were <i>valid</i> until 1939 (when other letters were added for other cities and, apparently, the meaning/city of some letters changed - V for Vilno became V for Wroclaw, according to the illustrations already shown in this thread).</p><p>As for your link to the previous thread on Polish gold marks, I'm afraid I must disagree with our wonderful and knowledgeable [USER=2844]@Any Jewelry[/USER] on this point. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":)" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.silvercollection.it/DICTIONARYEUHALLMARKPOLAND.HTML" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.silvercollection.it/DICTIONARYEUHALLMARKPOLAND.HTML" rel="nofollow">THIS</a> and <a href="https://www.925-1000.com/Fpoland_marks_1.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.925-1000.com/Fpoland_marks_1.html" rel="nofollow">THIS</a> mostly show silver hallmarks but the dating indicators for gold are similar. Note the silver scarved female head first faced left, then changed to facing right post-1963 - the opposite of how the gold helmeted male head was first oriented right-facing then changed to left-facing post-1963.</p><p>In 1986, Poland apparently began using actual 3-digit fineness numbers instead of the single digit fineness number, for both silver and gold. Also one of the links indicates that Poland went back to using the single digit gold fineness number in 2012 (I haven't researched if this is true, since I don't own any modern Polish jewelry). Here is an example of the post-1986 mark in gold (not my ring). (Odd that it's 583, not 585.)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]360089[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a coral ring I own, passed down through my Polish grandmother and maiden aunt. Note the <i>left</i>-facing helmeted head, c.1963-1986, which fits exactly with the oral history claiming 1970s. (The photo doesn't show the mark very well, but it has a 3, the figure, and a W.)</p><p><img src="https://www.antiquers.com/attachments/cfb8693d-aabb-476c-a01c-60fc5b99f5a7-jpeg.153265/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://www.antiquers.com/attachments/edf0e45e-9a03-4b6f-bfb3-0ba5ca028516-jpeg.153263/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>So, in summary, some significant dates for identifying the age of Polish jewelry are:</p><p>~Pre-1963 the figure faces one way, post-1963 it faces the opposite way. Gold helmeted male head goes from right-facing to left, silver scarved female head goes from left-facing to right.</p><p>~1986: the single-digit fineness number is dropped in favor of the actual 3-digit fineness number.</p><p><br /></p><p><i>A repeat of my disclaimer: I'm not an expert in this field, the info given was simply gleaned from extensive time/searching of the internet.</i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="bluumz, post: 4346634, member: 649"]The translation doesn't say that the letters were [I]used[/I] until 1939, just that the meaning of the letters shown were [I]valid[/I] until 1939 (when other letters were added for other cities and, apparently, the meaning/city of some letters changed - V for Vilno became V for Wroclaw, according to the illustrations already shown in this thread). As for your link to the previous thread on Polish gold marks, I'm afraid I must disagree with our wonderful and knowledgeable [USER=2844]@Any Jewelry[/USER] on this point. :) [URL='http://www.silvercollection.it/DICTIONARYEUHALLMARKPOLAND.HTML']THIS[/URL] and [URL='https://www.925-1000.com/Fpoland_marks_1.html']THIS[/URL] mostly show silver hallmarks but the dating indicators for gold are similar. Note the silver scarved female head first faced left, then changed to facing right post-1963 - the opposite of how the gold helmeted male head was first oriented right-facing then changed to left-facing post-1963. In 1986, Poland apparently began using actual 3-digit fineness numbers instead of the single digit fineness number, for both silver and gold. Also one of the links indicates that Poland went back to using the single digit gold fineness number in 2012 (I haven't researched if this is true, since I don't own any modern Polish jewelry). Here is an example of the post-1986 mark in gold (not my ring). (Odd that it's 583, not 585.) [ATTACH=full]360089[/ATTACH] Here is a coral ring I own, passed down through my Polish grandmother and maiden aunt. Note the [I]left[/I]-facing helmeted head, c.1963-1986, which fits exactly with the oral history claiming 1970s. (The photo doesn't show the mark very well, but it has a 3, the figure, and a W.) [IMG]https://www.antiquers.com/attachments/cfb8693d-aabb-476c-a01c-60fc5b99f5a7-jpeg.153265/[/IMG] [IMG]https://www.antiquers.com/attachments/edf0e45e-9a03-4b6f-bfb3-0ba5ca028516-jpeg.153263/[/IMG] So, in summary, some significant dates for identifying the age of Polish jewelry are: ~Pre-1963 the figure faces one way, post-1963 it faces the opposite way. Gold helmeted male head goes from right-facing to left, silver scarved female head goes from left-facing to right. ~1986: the single-digit fineness number is dropped in favor of the actual 3-digit fineness number. [I]A repeat of my disclaimer: I'm not an expert in this field, the info given was simply gleaned from extensive time/searching of the internet.[/I][/QUOTE]
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