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<p>[QUOTE="Any Jewelry, post: 9428182, member: 2844"]Shangas, I don't disagree with you, and you should know that by now, I am just looking at the historical meaning.</p><p>As I said, things change. Meanings of words as they are understood from one generation to another and more, change. This change is also adapted in legal language.</p><p><br /></p><p>Peranakan doesn't literally mean offspring or descendant, that is an interpretation of the word.</p><p>Anak means child (offspring), and the prefix per- and suffix -an are added to mean pertaining to (a) child. At least that is how it is constructed in Indonesian, and most probably in Malay as well.</p><p>So Peranakan is anything pertaining to a child. Ideally it should be specified. But it is just a word, the meaning is an interpretation.</p><p>And as I said, in legal terminology, the term Peranakan without an addition, like for instance Tionghoa, used to be the term for mixed Indo-Malay and European, and it is now used for people of mixed Indo-Malay and Chinese.</p><p>The last bit is also what you said, so, grammar aside, we agree.</p><p>It does not change the identity of either group, it is just terms, words.</p><p><br /></p><p>Another confusing term: The word 'totok' (full blood, whatever that may mean<img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=";)" unselectable="on" />) used to be used for both Europeans who were born in Europe, and for Chinese born in China.</p><p>Singkeh was of course also used, more precisely when referring to the Chinese nationality, just like Belanda for Dutch.</p><p><br /></p><p>Marriage didn't always come into the mix, btw, for either mixed group. The history of the Indo-Malay world is complicated, but that is another story.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Any Jewelry, post: 9428182, member: 2844"]Shangas, I don't disagree with you, and you should know that by now, I am just looking at the historical meaning. As I said, things change. Meanings of words as they are understood from one generation to another and more, change. This change is also adapted in legal language. Peranakan doesn't literally mean offspring or descendant, that is an interpretation of the word. Anak means child (offspring), and the prefix per- and suffix -an are added to mean pertaining to (a) child. At least that is how it is constructed in Indonesian, and most probably in Malay as well. So Peranakan is anything pertaining to a child. Ideally it should be specified. But it is just a word, the meaning is an interpretation. And as I said, in legal terminology, the term Peranakan without an addition, like for instance Tionghoa, used to be the term for mixed Indo-Malay and European, and it is now used for people of mixed Indo-Malay and Chinese. The last bit is also what you said, so, grammar aside, we agree. It does not change the identity of either group, it is just terms, words. Another confusing term: The word 'totok' (full blood, whatever that may mean;)) used to be used for both Europeans who were born in Europe, and for Chinese born in China. Singkeh was of course also used, more precisely when referring to the Chinese nationality, just like Belanda for Dutch. Marriage didn't always come into the mix, btw, for either mixed group. The history of the Indo-Malay world is complicated, but that is another story.[/QUOTE]
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