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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Any Jewelry, post: 1821435, member: 2844&quot;]The stab wounds were inflicted by Gerard van Velsen, whose daughter had been brutally raped by Floris V. She was not the only one. </p><p>The book seems to favour the Orangist angle. Floris is an ancestor of the later &#039;royal&#039; family. Like many in power they are very good at editing out the criminal tendencies in their bloodline.</p><p><br /></p><p>No, they&#039;re not. Examples of Dutch frames can be seen on old Dutch paintings, Rembrandt, Vermeer, Frans Hals, etc.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":)" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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