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<p>[QUOTE="DragonflyWink, post: 364794, member: 111"]There is no clobbering, the pieces are not altered from their original form.</p><p><br /></p><p>Reed & Barton and other manufacturers sometimes wholesaled goods without their trademark, later marked by the vendor or even other manufacturing firms - the marks aren't fakes, they're just intended to resemble British hallmarks and are clearly not correct, but many people thought such marks indicated quality, though often having no idea what they actually meant. This is not a particularly uncommon Reed & Barton pattern, made with a few variations, and it would have been made prior to when the manufacturer started production in sterling silver.</p><p><br /></p><p>Find it interesting that the auction listing described these as "English Silverplate" with "two London city marks surrounding the central duty mark", even though English silverplate wouldn't bear those marks, and they also clearly state their condition includes, "Age-related plate wear, finish-loss, and darkening."</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are some others found in a quick search, bearing Reed & Barton marks:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.antiquesnavigator.com/d-109839/antique-reed--barton-silverplate-tea-pot-kettle-1869.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.antiquesnavigator.com/d-109839/antique-reed--barton-silverplate-tea-pot-kettle-1869.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.antiquesnavigator.com/d-109839/antique-reed--barton-silverplate-tea-pot-kettle-1869.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-piece-Reed-amp-Barton-Aesthetic-Movement-Silverplate-holloware-/312111469631?hash=item48ab4b143f%3Ag%3A8eQAAOSw%7EbFayRko&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-piece-Reed-amp-Barton-Aesthetic-Movement-Silverplate-holloware-/312111469631?hash=item48ab4b143f%3Ag%3A8eQAAOSw%7EbFayRko&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-piece-Reed-amp-Barton-Aesthetic-Movement-Silverplate-holloware-/312111469631?hash=item48ab4b143f:g:8eQAAOSw~bFayRko&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Reed-amp-Barton-1869-Egyptian-Revival-Victorian-Aesthetic-Teapot-Creamer-Sugar-/382410064756?hash=item59096a8374%3Ag%3ACc8AAOSw92NZc8MU&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Reed-amp-Barton-1869-Egyptian-Revival-Victorian-Aesthetic-Teapot-Creamer-Sugar-/382410064756?hash=item59096a8374%3Ag%3ACc8AAOSw92NZc8MU&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/Reed-amp-Barton-1869-Egyptian-Revival-Victorian-Aesthetic-Teapot-Creamer-Sugar-/382410064756?hash=item59096a8374:g:Cc8AAOSw92NZc8MU&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Reed-Barton-Aesthetic-Movement-Lions-Head-1869-Creamer-Mid-Century-Retro-/192446488937?hash=item2cceb46169%3Ag%3AOP8AAOSwu4BVnsH0&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Reed-Barton-Aesthetic-Movement-Lions-Head-1869-Creamer-Mid-Century-Retro-/192446488937?hash=item2cceb46169%3Ag%3AOP8AAOSwu4BVnsH0&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/Reed-Barton-Aesthetic-Movement-Lions-Head-1869-Creamer-Mid-Century-Retro-/192446488937?hash=item2cceb46169:g:OP8AAOSwu4BVnsH0&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Reed-Barton-Egyptian-Revival-Victorian-Lions-Head-Suger-Tea-Bowl-/222953615757?hash=item33e912318d%3Ag%3AsggAAOSwwS1a5KIX&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Reed-Barton-Egyptian-Revival-Victorian-Lions-Head-Suger-Tea-Bowl-/222953615757?hash=item33e912318d%3Ag%3AsggAAOSwwS1a5KIX&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Reed-Barton-Egyptian-Revival-Victorian-Lions-Head-Suger-Tea-Bowl-/222953615757?hash=item33e912318d:g:sggAAOSwwS1a5KIX&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Reed-Barton-1869-Tea-Pot-Good-Condition-Rare-Piece/251970733719?hash=item3aaaa04697:g:bsEAAOSwZd1VYOkV" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Reed-Barton-1869-Tea-Pot-Good-Condition-Rare-Piece/251970733719?hash=item3aaaa04697:g:bsEAAOSwZd1VYOkV" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Reed-Barton-1869-Tea-Pot-Good-Condition-Rare-Piece/251970733719?hash=item3aaaa04697:g:bsEAAOSwZd1VYOkV</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.rubylane.com/item/780843-EW0000207/Victorian-Silver-Plate-Reed-Barton-Teapot" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.rubylane.com/item/780843-EW0000207/Victorian-Silver-Plate-Reed-Barton-Teapot" rel="nofollow">https://www.rubylane.com/item/780843-EW0000207/Victorian-Silver-Plate-Reed-Barton-Teapot</a></p><p><br /></p><p>~Cheryl[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DragonflyWink, post: 364794, member: 111"]There is no clobbering, the pieces are not altered from their original form. Reed & Barton and other manufacturers sometimes wholesaled goods without their trademark, later marked by the vendor or even other manufacturing firms - the marks aren't fakes, they're just intended to resemble British hallmarks and are clearly not correct, but many people thought such marks indicated quality, though often having no idea what they actually meant. This is not a particularly uncommon Reed & Barton pattern, made with a few variations, and it would have been made prior to when the manufacturer started production in sterling silver. Find it interesting that the auction listing described these as "English Silverplate" with "two London city marks surrounding the central duty mark", even though English silverplate wouldn't bear those marks, and they also clearly state their condition includes, "Age-related plate wear, finish-loss, and darkening." Here are some others found in a quick search, bearing Reed & Barton marks: [URL]https://www.antiquesnavigator.com/d-109839/antique-reed--barton-silverplate-tea-pot-kettle-1869.html[/URL] [URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/4-piece-Reed-amp-Barton-Aesthetic-Movement-Silverplate-holloware-/312111469631?hash=item48ab4b143f%3Ag%3A8eQAAOSw%7EbFayRko&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/URL] [URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Reed-amp-Barton-1869-Egyptian-Revival-Victorian-Aesthetic-Teapot-Creamer-Sugar-/382410064756?hash=item59096a8374%3Ag%3ACc8AAOSw92NZc8MU&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/URL] [URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Reed-Barton-Aesthetic-Movement-Lions-Head-1869-Creamer-Mid-Century-Retro-/192446488937?hash=item2cceb46169%3Ag%3AOP8AAOSwu4BVnsH0&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/URL] [URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Reed-Barton-Egyptian-Revival-Victorian-Lions-Head-Suger-Tea-Bowl-/222953615757?hash=item33e912318d%3Ag%3AsggAAOSwwS1a5KIX&nma=true&si=UpSDAzFkOKX667TL9gimJiWOfYo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/URL] [URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Reed-Barton-1869-Tea-Pot-Good-Condition-Rare-Piece/251970733719?hash=item3aaaa04697:g:bsEAAOSwZd1VYOkV[/URL] [URL]https://www.rubylane.com/item/780843-EW0000207/Victorian-Silver-Plate-Reed-Barton-Teapot[/URL] ~Cheryl[/QUOTE]
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