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The imagery on the Meissen piece is much more coherent, follows neoclassical conventions more closely and uses colors more appropriate to the theme. The pastels used on one posted strike me as incongruous. Putto is out of place; 'griffin' has a tail that belongs to neither eagle nor lion.

 

The Meissen one is also a proper griffin.

 

In composition/form, is what I meant.

 

I don't see any wings. It's an unusual pairing; the animal traditionally associated with Bacchus/Dionysus is the panther, or, more specifically, a pantheress. Scenes like this are known as The Education of the Infant Bacchus:

 

Hm. The panther head is very like that winged thing.

 

I understood you that way. The point I failed to put over is that we would not all be quibbling over Pan v. Satyr, Griffin v. not griffin or Green Man v. Bacchus if it were the Meissen piece under discussion. The pastel version is sort of a pale, over the top imitation. If the Meissen were Renaissance, this one would be Rococo.

 

This is the sort of thing that strikes me as the inspiration for the porcelain designs:

 

https://www.galerie-atena.com/en/la...oser-et-bernhard-quippe-xml-244_267-6666.html

 

It started out with @kellaurm taking a stab at the characters on his piece, and it kind of got thrown in the washer.

I learn a lot and hopefully I help some by looking these things up and adding my 2 pennies.

 

It's what we all have done and continue to do. At least half of what I know I learned when I was trying to find out about something else.

 

Bacchus doesn't have hooves. Horns & hooves = satyr, Roman variety.

 

Sorry, @Bev aka thelmasstuff

Where do you se Bacchus with hooves?

 

Or Pan:



Satyrs, including the granddaddy of them all, Silenus, are frequently depicted without horns, sometimes without any goat features at all, just pointed ears like Mr. Spock. See:
http://www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/record/566C20FA-299A-4C11-83F0-829C0A89B767 and
http://www.beazley.ox.ac.uk/record/36EB4799-A33C-481A-9DDE-4CC5E790836A

The subject of satyrs/fauns/silenoi is a vexed one. The description of the cup shown in post #28 says it is a faun holding up the cup. Here are some members of the revel rout, not all of them goat-footed:

It's the 'Green Man' mask that would make more sense as Bacchus or one of his companions. Not that the composition of this piece makes a lot of sense.

 

It's the mask that may be Bacchus.

 

Yes... that happens daily to me while trying to help with questions in this site.

 

The “M” looks right and not all the marks were used all the time from what I gather. The EA Mueller factory made high end porcelain figures from what the site says. I would think either just pre-WW1 or just post WW1. Just guessing out loud!

 

So are we in aggreement that this is a Muller or Schwarza-Saalbahn piece. Are people saying it's a reproduction?

 

It will be going up for auction on Ebay soon

 

This crossed my path today & reminded me of this thread:



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