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<p>[QUOTE="DragonflyWink, post: 9605547, member: 111"]Hello and welcome.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>It is American coin. Family 'histories' are often mistaken, even if they were in Georgia in 1838, these spoons weren't there then, the pattern wasn't introduced until 1850.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The only connection between Ivory Hall and the unidentified 'R.T & CO.' is that their stamp was found on a piece bearing a 'crown' maker's mark attributed to Ivory Hall.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>As said, so far as I know, this mark remains unidentified, but is almost certainly a Northeastern US retailer. The majority of silvermiths were wholesalers, and some, like Ivory Hall, were also retailers, selling their production to the public as well as to the trade.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>It is Albert Coles' 'Jenny Lind' pattern, just doesn't bear his marks (I have a large Coles 'Jenny Lind' spoon without any marks). A very popular pattern, it was copied by other makers with some variations - it is not a copy of an older British pattern, and the only British pattern found in Pickford's 'Silver Flatware: English, Irish and Scottish 1660-1980' (1983) bearing any resemblance is a scarce mid 19th century 'Olive' variant by Chawner called 'Wellington'. So far as I know there hasn't been a patent found for 'Jenny Lind', though there are later Coles patents - not all patterns were patented, and can't see any reason it wouldn't have been his design.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>McGrew's 'Manufacturers' Marks on American Coin Silver' (2004) shows these pseudo-marks (G/bust/lion) as unidentified, but belonging to a Troy, NY maker based on the majority of their retailers being based in Troy. So in addition to the 'R.T & CO.' stamp being found alone, it's also found on pieces produced in New Hampshire and New York, and could be found on pieces by other makers as well...</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>~Cheryl[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="DragonflyWink, post: 9605547, member: 111"]Hello and welcome. It is American coin. Family 'histories' are often mistaken, even if they were in Georgia in 1838, these spoons weren't there then, the pattern wasn't introduced until 1850. The only connection between Ivory Hall and the unidentified 'R.T & CO.' is that their stamp was found on a piece bearing a 'crown' maker's mark attributed to Ivory Hall. As said, so far as I know, this mark remains unidentified, but is almost certainly a Northeastern US retailer. The majority of silvermiths were wholesalers, and some, like Ivory Hall, were also retailers, selling their production to the public as well as to the trade. It is Albert Coles' 'Jenny Lind' pattern, just doesn't bear his marks (I have a large Coles 'Jenny Lind' spoon without any marks). A very popular pattern, it was copied by other makers with some variations - it is not a copy of an older British pattern, and the only British pattern found in Pickford's 'Silver Flatware: English, Irish and Scottish 1660-1980' (1983) bearing any resemblance is a scarce mid 19th century 'Olive' variant by Chawner called 'Wellington'. So far as I know there hasn't been a patent found for 'Jenny Lind', though there are later Coles patents - not all patterns were patented, and can't see any reason it wouldn't have been his design. McGrew's 'Manufacturers' Marks on American Coin Silver' (2004) shows these pseudo-marks (G/bust/lion) as unidentified, but belonging to a Troy, NY maker based on the majority of their retailers being based in Troy. So in addition to the 'R.T & CO.' stamp being found alone, it's also found on pieces produced in New Hampshire and New York, and could be found on pieces by other makers as well... ~Cheryl[/QUOTE]
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