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<p>[QUOTE="Taupou, post: 334114, member: 45"]This terminology is often confusing. First, there are two places that are often mixed up: <u>Casas Grandes</u> and <u>Casa Grande</u>. <i>Casas Grandes</i> was a pre-historic culture in northern Mexico, and the site where they lived and the pottery they made is often referred to as Casas Grandes. </p><p><br /></p><p>Casa Grande is a town in Arizona, named for the nearby Casa Grande Ruins National Monument. </p><p>The Native Americans that lived in the area of Casa Grande, who left the ruins that became the national monument, however, were part of the <i>Hohokam</i>, not the<i> Casas Grandes</i> culture.</p><p><br /></p><p>There is no connection between the two, except that both adopted their names from the Spanish language: Casa Grande (big house) and Casas Grandes (big houses). </p><p><br /></p><p>As to this pot, it is in the style of early <i>Casas Grandes</i> pottery from Mexico, and if it dates before 1450, when the site was abandoned, it is authentic Casas Grandes pottery.</p><p><br /></p><p>To make it even more confusing, however, in the 1950s, Mexican potters near the site of the Casas Grandes ruins, began making "replicas" of the early pottery found in the area. Most lived in the Mexican town of Nuevo (new) Casas Grandes. </p><p><br /></p><p>In the late 1970s, the neighboring village of Mata Ortiz attracted the attention of the pottery world for the pottery being produced there. It is still debated whether Juan Quezada from Mata Ortiz, or Manuel Olivas from Nuevo Casas Grandes, should be credited with the development of the pottery tradition now known as "Mata Ortiz pottery." </p><p><br /></p><p>To add to the confusion, when the pottery first came on the market in the U.S., it was sometimes called "Casas Grandes Revival," until it was figured out that it really wasn't a "revival" since the potters are Mexican, and not related in any way to the original inhabitants. Plus, there was that confusion with the town in Arizona. So today the preferred term is "Mata Ortiz," although a lot of sellers haven't gotten the word, yet. (And some think Casa Grande and Casas Grandes are the same thing, just spelled differently.)</p><p><br /></p><p>But to (finally) answer the question, it's not Native American since there is no tribal affiliation. If it can be proven to be pre-1450 A.D., it's pre-Columbian Casas Grandes. Otherwise it's Mata Ortiz Mexican pottery (which based on the photos, would be my assumption.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Taupou, post: 334114, member: 45"]This terminology is often confusing. First, there are two places that are often mixed up: [U]Casas Grandes[/U] and [U]Casa Grande[/U]. [I]Casas Grandes[/I] was a pre-historic culture in northern Mexico, and the site where they lived and the pottery they made is often referred to as Casas Grandes. Casa Grande is a town in Arizona, named for the nearby Casa Grande Ruins National Monument. The Native Americans that lived in the area of Casa Grande, who left the ruins that became the national monument, however, were part of the [I]Hohokam[/I], not the[I] Casas Grandes[/I] culture. There is no connection between the two, except that both adopted their names from the Spanish language: Casa Grande (big house) and Casas Grandes (big houses). As to this pot, it is in the style of early [I]Casas Grandes[/I] pottery from Mexico, and if it dates before 1450, when the site was abandoned, it is authentic Casas Grandes pottery. To make it even more confusing, however, in the 1950s, Mexican potters near the site of the Casas Grandes ruins, began making "replicas" of the early pottery found in the area. Most lived in the Mexican town of Nuevo (new) Casas Grandes. In the late 1970s, the neighboring village of Mata Ortiz attracted the attention of the pottery world for the pottery being produced there. It is still debated whether Juan Quezada from Mata Ortiz, or Manuel Olivas from Nuevo Casas Grandes, should be credited with the development of the pottery tradition now known as "Mata Ortiz pottery." To add to the confusion, when the pottery first came on the market in the U.S., it was sometimes called "Casas Grandes Revival," until it was figured out that it really wasn't a "revival" since the potters are Mexican, and not related in any way to the original inhabitants. Plus, there was that confusion with the town in Arizona. So today the preferred term is "Mata Ortiz," although a lot of sellers haven't gotten the word, yet. (And some think Casa Grande and Casas Grandes are the same thing, just spelled differently.) But to (finally) answer the question, it's not Native American since there is no tribal affiliation. If it can be proven to be pre-1450 A.D., it's pre-Columbian Casas Grandes. Otherwise it's Mata Ortiz Mexican pottery (which based on the photos, would be my assumption.)[/QUOTE]
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