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<p>[QUOTE="Ladybranch, post: 234284, member: 44"]Lovely! Wow, the shades of the blue ones are still intact! I really don't know anything about these Napoleon and Josephine lamps other then to say they are late 19th century+. Your lamps seem to have the common Kosmos brass collars. It appears the shape of the blues ones are less common then the shape of the yellow ones. Like you have found, I have seen prices ranging from a $100 to thousands. Of course the ones with the original shades tend to be the highest. Example:</p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRENCH-ANTIQUE-NAPOLEON-GWTW-OLD-OIL-KEROSENE-BANQUET-VICTORIAN-GLASS-LAMP-/221247876779" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRENCH-ANTIQUE-NAPOLEON-GWTW-OLD-OIL-KEROSENE-BANQUET-VICTORIAN-GLASS-LAMP-/221247876779" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRENCH-ANTIQUE-NAPOLEON-GWTW-OLD-OIL-KEROSENE-BANQUET-VICTORIAN-GLASS-LAMP-/221247876779</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Then there is this one price at only $200 that didn't sell:</p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.ie/itm/172232364074" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.ie/itm/172232364074" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.ie/itm/172232364074</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I have searched through my many oil lamp reference books resulting in none of them mentioning these lamps. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/frown.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":(" unselectable="on" /> Thuro's <i>Oil Lamps II</i>, p. 133, "Foreign Lamps" section, has a Sevres porcelain Napoleon banquet vase lamp pictured. This one has the vase body with Napoleon picture and has a ball shade with a pic of a French seal, coat-of-arms, or something I can't make out. The background is green. In the description it says:</p><p><br /></p><p> "Lamp; hard paste porcelain with gilt metal handle and mounts. French; bears the marks of the Sevres Factory, circa 1891-1900. The green ground color is said to have been Napoleon's favorite color from Sevres.</p><p> "Such commemorative pieces, complete with portraits and appropriate crests as on the shade were popular from the late 19th century onward; particularly for fancy decorator vases.</p><p> "The shade is marked 'PHOENIX, MADE EXPRESSLY FOR BURLEY & Co.' The Phoenix Glass Company in Monaca, PA near Pittsburgh, was noted for its fine quality hand-painted shades. Height to the top of shade is 34"."</p><p><br /></p><p>Not that long ago there was an excellent oil lamp website, <i>The International Guild of Lamp Researchers</i>. Earlier this year the website was discontinued. The only way for several months I was able to get into it was via the "Wayback Machine," an internet archive search engine; however, the Q & A (Question & Answer) section wasn't archived. Today found that one of the links on another lamp organization got me into the Lamp Guild website, surprise surprise. Here's the link:</p><p><a href="http://www.lampguild.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.lampguild.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lampguild.org/</a></p><p>Link to their Q & A page:</p><p><a href="http://www.lampguild.org/QandApage/index.php.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.lampguild.org/QandApage/index.php.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lampguild.org/QandApage/index.php.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Gee the "Search the Archives" button/link doesn't work.</p><p>Anyways they wouldn't have helped you on value for the website was dedicated to **only** info on IDing and operating oil lamps and definitely did not give any evaluations, appraisals. They frowned on queries asking for sale values and would ignore them. It was an no, no to even mention eBay, auction or selling.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is the Wayback Machine link to the website the last homepage:</p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20161230224804/www.lampguild.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://web.archive.org/web/20161230224804/www.lampguild.org/" rel="nofollow">https://web.archive.org/web/20161230224804/www.lampguild.org/</a></p><p>Earlier homepage:</p><p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20161010005917/www.lampguild.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://web.archive.org/web/20161010005917/www.lampguild.org/" rel="nofollow">https://web.archive.org/web/20161010005917/www.lampguild.org/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Following are a few oil lamp websites that may have forums that you might post a query. I would highly advise not mentioning you are planning on selling them. Now most organizations' sites require membership to post, but you may be able to search their forums, Q & A pages for info?</p><p>Click on there link to "Lighting sites" for more online sites:</p><p><a href="http://rushlight.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rushlight.org/" rel="nofollow">http://rushlight.org/</a></p><p><a href="http://www.historical-lighting.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.historical-lighting.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.historical-lighting.org/</a></p><p><a href="http://www.thelampworks.com/index.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.thelampworks.com/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thelampworks.com/index.html</a></p><p><a href="http://tomsvintagelighting.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://tomsvintagelighting.com/" rel="nofollow">http://tomsvintagelighting.com/</a></p><p><a href="https://19thcenturylighting.com/restoration/restoration.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://19thcenturylighting.com/restoration/restoration.html" rel="nofollow">https://19thcenturylighting.com/restoration/restoration.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>--- Susan[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ladybranch, post: 234284, member: 44"]Lovely! Wow, the shades of the blue ones are still intact! I really don't know anything about these Napoleon and Josephine lamps other then to say they are late 19th century+. Your lamps seem to have the common Kosmos brass collars. It appears the shape of the blues ones are less common then the shape of the yellow ones. Like you have found, I have seen prices ranging from a $100 to thousands. Of course the ones with the original shades tend to be the highest. Example: [URL]http://www.ebay.com/itm/FRENCH-ANTIQUE-NAPOLEON-GWTW-OLD-OIL-KEROSENE-BANQUET-VICTORIAN-GLASS-LAMP-/221247876779[/URL] Then there is this one price at only $200 that didn't sell: [URL]http://www.ebay.ie/itm/172232364074[/URL] I have searched through my many oil lamp reference books resulting in none of them mentioning these lamps. :( Thuro's [I]Oil Lamps II[/I], p. 133, "Foreign Lamps" section, has a Sevres porcelain Napoleon banquet vase lamp pictured. This one has the vase body with Napoleon picture and has a ball shade with a pic of a French seal, coat-of-arms, or something I can't make out. The background is green. In the description it says: "Lamp; hard paste porcelain with gilt metal handle and mounts. French; bears the marks of the Sevres Factory, circa 1891-1900. The green ground color is said to have been Napoleon's favorite color from Sevres. "Such commemorative pieces, complete with portraits and appropriate crests as on the shade were popular from the late 19th century onward; particularly for fancy decorator vases. "The shade is marked 'PHOENIX, MADE EXPRESSLY FOR BURLEY & Co.' The Phoenix Glass Company in Monaca, PA near Pittsburgh, was noted for its fine quality hand-painted shades. Height to the top of shade is 34"." Not that long ago there was an excellent oil lamp website, [I]The International Guild of Lamp Researchers[/I]. Earlier this year the website was discontinued. The only way for several months I was able to get into it was via the "Wayback Machine," an internet archive search engine; however, the Q & A (Question & Answer) section wasn't archived. Today found that one of the links on another lamp organization got me into the Lamp Guild website, surprise surprise. Here's the link: [URL]http://www.lampguild.org/[/URL] Link to their Q & A page: [URL]http://www.lampguild.org/QandApage/index.php.html[/URL] Gee the "Search the Archives" button/link doesn't work. Anyways they wouldn't have helped you on value for the website was dedicated to **only** info on IDing and operating oil lamps and definitely did not give any evaluations, appraisals. They frowned on queries asking for sale values and would ignore them. It was an no, no to even mention eBay, auction or selling. Here is the Wayback Machine link to the website the last homepage: [URL]https://web.archive.org/web/20161230224804/www.lampguild.org/[/URL] Earlier homepage: [URL]https://web.archive.org/web/20161010005917/www.lampguild.org/[/URL] Following are a few oil lamp websites that may have forums that you might post a query. I would highly advise not mentioning you are planning on selling them. Now most organizations' sites require membership to post, but you may be able to search their forums, Q & A pages for info? Click on there link to "Lighting sites" for more online sites: [URL]http://rushlight.org/[/URL] [URL]http://www.historical-lighting.org/[/URL] [URL]http://www.thelampworks.com/index.html[/URL] [URL]http://tomsvintagelighting.com/[/URL] [URL]https://19thcenturylighting.com/restoration/restoration.html[/URL] --- Susan[/QUOTE]
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