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I'm trying to recover my past searches , please bear with me



https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/black-baptists-in-virginia-1865-1902/



this is a photo of a virginian tobacco factory



there is absolutely nothing on the back ( canvas )

 

Thank you for the closeup, he does seem to be a minister.
He is probably hovering in the background because he doesn't want to be seen associating with the boozers in the front.

Different roof, and no shutters on the sides of the windows.

 

that probably took around 30 mins to post


time to celebrate methinks ...see you later

 

I am afraid it is going to be a very common building style.

Many features point to a French origin, before considering a more exotic source. According to the history we have been given, the painting was found in France; what we can make out of the artist's name seems to be French; the military caps are similar to French examples; the musicians are playing a type of French band horn; and the architecture is similar to a French country home.

Based on the women's costumes, the artist does not appear to be portraying a scene consistent with an 1891 date, so we may not rely too much on historical accuracy. There is also the possibility that the artist was copying an earlier image.

Nevertheless, it would be helpful to see the back of the painting, even if there is nothing written on it. The materials and construction of the stretcher may provide more clues as to age and origin.

In your first photos, there appears to be a crease down the center of the painting. Is that true? If so, it may indicate that it was removed from the original stretcher and folded at some time in the past. This might affect out estimation of a date based on the stretcher.

 

Ah, you're right, I missed that very essential bit.
I saw Richmond, and my brain immediately went to the different Richmonds dotted around the world. So I was off into my usual ADD circus.

 

@Matahari - It is clear you would like the painting to be a scene from the U.S., but I can't imagine any circumstance where a black minister would be officiating over a ceremony of white folks at any time during the 19th century. It is much more likely that he is in servant's livery, similar to this Victorian butler -

 

And he may not be of African origin, which is why I said 'darker'. He is brown, which means he could be from any number of countries.
France had colonies all over the world, and servants and slaves from all those colonies, and more.

 

me too

 

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@ 2manybooks
why is it CLEAR that I want this painting to be amercican ? Im just trying to identify it !

I don't see the coloured person looking anything like the butler you posted, and even if he is a butler he would hardly be included into a "family gathering portrait"

 

@ Any Jewelry

It would appear the painting was bought before in germany, I agree that sometimes the place can be a guide but then a Caravaggio was found in Toulouse france, a few years back

 

I agree that the male figure appears to be wearing livery.

Debora

 

Two family portraits with servants in the Dutch East Indies. Similar portraits with servants in the background can be found elsewhere.

This one was painted in 1665:


This photo was taken in the early 20th century:

 

From my previous link re the kepi.

Debora

 

I'm still curious so I'd like to re-ask a previous question...

Why do you believe the painting shows an American scene?

Debora

 

There is still no proof the Toulouse painting is by Caravaggio. Many experts think it is a copy by Flemish painter Lodewijk Finson, in whose Napels studio some Caravaggio paintings were stored.

Besides, paintings by famous painters can be found all over the world. Those by unkown painters are more likely to stay close to the place of origin.

 

It's what I first thought I saw !
I also thought I recognized a pine tree forrest ......

 

it was just a joke (Caravaggio)

 

The kepi you show isn't the same as the civil war which is a squared visor.

The house isn't french, I'm open to all suggestions but in France we have chimneys and frequently "chien assis" roof windows