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<p>[QUOTE="Eojin9642, post: 2526858, member: 16076"]EDIT: inserting images via imgur doesn't seem to work. I'll use the imgur links directly until I can find a fix, how can I directly upload pictures into the post??</p><p><br /></p><p>Hello all! I've made an account here, not only because I'm interested in antiquities, but because my mother has picked up (from the side of a road) an antique french bureau de dame. With some quick searching, I've discovered that it's almost EXACTLY the same as this bureau sold in this listing:</p><p><a href="https://www.maryleboneantiques.co.uk/shop/desks-writing-tables-and-bureaux/antique-french-bureau-de-dame-kingwood-rosewood-marquetry/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.maryleboneantiques.co.uk/shop/desks-writing-tables-and-bureaux/antique-french-bureau-de-dame-kingwood-rosewood-marquetry/" rel="nofollow">https://www.maryleboneantiques.co.uk/shop/desks-writing-tables-and-bureaux/antique-french-bureau-de-dame-kingwood-rosewood-marquetry/</a></p><p>And, best of all, it has a little price tag on the inside, (with "bureau" curiously misspelled as "beaureau"; But then again, I don't know how to spell it either.) claiming to have been sold from the Antiques Exchange in London, for a hefty price of 2,900 GBP (roughly $3,780 USD)! Wow!</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/JaVDbJw" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/JaVDbJw" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/JaVDbJw</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/JaVDbJw" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>However, upon close examination, the bureau we have seems to be a bit sloppily made. The metal works seem as if they were made by hand, a bit "squished" and sometimes tilted or skewed, if you get what I mean. I'll include some pictures down there.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/mhDrspq" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/mhDrspq" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/mhDrspq</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/qdndDbV" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/qdndDbV" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/qdndDbV</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/2OdetuA" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/2OdetuA" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/2OdetuA</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/78uNLKz" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/78uNLKz" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/78uNLKz</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/78uNLKz" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>If you look closely at this metal bit, you can see that it's attached with tiny nails:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/5ZRVHZp" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/5ZRVHZp" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/5ZRVHZp" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/5ZRVHZp</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The screws in the hinge are also quite flattened (and different from the photos in the listing):</p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/YLkgjBG" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/tqYGOfm" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/YLkgjBG" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/YLkgjBG" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/YLkgjBG</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Most everything seems a bit mismatched and made by hand, which I believe may be a sign of handcrafted parts (seeing as how this is likely from the late 1800s); My mother thinks that it proves that it's a replica. I disagree!</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/eGGNXwH" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/eGGNXwH" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/eGGNXwH</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/jpDMzlK" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/YLkgjBG" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/qdndDbV" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/eGGNXwH" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/MfKnAbs" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/MfKnAbs" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/MfKnAbs</a></p><p><br /></p><p>This bit seems to be made out of thin leather of some sort..?</p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/MfKnAbs" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>This is the bureau from the side:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/qcunpyh" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/qcunpyh" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/qcunpyh</a></p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/qcunpyh" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>From the front:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/cc8k92b" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/cc8k92b" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/cc8k92b</a></p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/cc8k92b" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>From the back.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/NLA9q7p" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/NLA9q7p" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/NLA9q7p</a></p><p><img src="https://imgur.com/NLA9q7p" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Interestingly enough, if you compare the photos in the listing and the one in this post, you can see that the grain of the wood are going the same way! Also, the pieces of wood are not separated between the top part and the legs; The grain goes right on throughout the entire back of the table, top to bottom.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/NLA9q7p" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/NLA9q7p" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/NLA9q7p</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://imgur.com/tqYGOfm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://imgur.com/tqYGOfm" rel="nofollow">https://imgur.com/tqYGOfm</a></p><p><br /></p><p>So what do you guys think? I think this is legitimate (I mean, there's a price tag on it!), but my mother seems to think it's some sort of elaborate fake.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, one more thing.. This was discovered on a roadside in a city in Korea. Makes it very strange, how would it have gotten from France, to England, to Korea?</p><p><br /></p><p>Is this real, and if so, how much do you guys estimate it would cost?</p><p><br /></p><p>Thank you for your help! I'm interested to find out anything I can about this.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Eojin9642, post: 2526858, member: 16076"]EDIT: inserting images via imgur doesn't seem to work. I'll use the imgur links directly until I can find a fix, how can I directly upload pictures into the post?? Hello all! I've made an account here, not only because I'm interested in antiquities, but because my mother has picked up (from the side of a road) an antique french bureau de dame. With some quick searching, I've discovered that it's almost EXACTLY the same as this bureau sold in this listing: [URL]https://www.maryleboneantiques.co.uk/shop/desks-writing-tables-and-bureaux/antique-french-bureau-de-dame-kingwood-rosewood-marquetry/[/URL] And, best of all, it has a little price tag on the inside, (with "bureau" curiously misspelled as "beaureau"; But then again, I don't know how to spell it either.) claiming to have been sold from the Antiques Exchange in London, for a hefty price of 2,900 GBP (roughly $3,780 USD)! Wow! [URL]https://imgur.com/JaVDbJw[/URL] [IMG]https://imgur.com/JaVDbJw[/IMG] However, upon close examination, the bureau we have seems to be a bit sloppily made. The metal works seem as if they were made by hand, a bit "squished" and sometimes tilted or skewed, if you get what I mean. I'll include some pictures down there. [URL]https://imgur.com/mhDrspq[/URL] [URL]https://imgur.com/qdndDbV[/URL] [URL]https://imgur.com/2OdetuA[/URL] [URL]https://imgur.com/78uNLKz[/URL] [IMG]https://imgur.com/78uNLKz[/IMG] If you look closely at this metal bit, you can see that it's attached with tiny nails: [IMG]https://imgur.com/5ZRVHZp[/IMG] [URL]https://imgur.com/5ZRVHZp[/URL] The screws in the hinge are also quite flattened (and different from the photos in the listing): [IMG]https://imgur.com/YLkgjBG[/IMG] [IMG]https://imgur.com/tqYGOfm[/IMG] [URL]https://imgur.com/YLkgjBG[/URL] Most everything seems a bit mismatched and made by hand, which I believe may be a sign of handcrafted parts (seeing as how this is likely from the late 1800s); My mother thinks that it proves that it's a replica. I disagree! [URL]https://imgur.com/eGGNXwH[/URL] [IMG]https://imgur.com/jpDMzlK[/IMG] [IMG]https://imgur.com/YLkgjBG[/IMG] [IMG]https://imgur.com/qdndDbV[/IMG] [IMG]https://imgur.com/eGGNXwH[/IMG] [URL]https://imgur.com/MfKnAbs[/URL] This bit seems to be made out of thin leather of some sort..? [IMG]https://imgur.com/MfKnAbs[/IMG] This is the bureau from the side: [URL]https://imgur.com/qcunpyh[/URL] [IMG]https://imgur.com/qcunpyh[/IMG] From the front: [URL]https://imgur.com/cc8k92b[/URL] [IMG]https://imgur.com/cc8k92b[/IMG] From the back. [URL]https://imgur.com/NLA9q7p[/URL] [IMG]https://imgur.com/NLA9q7p[/IMG] Interestingly enough, if you compare the photos in the listing and the one in this post, you can see that the grain of the wood are going the same way! Also, the pieces of wood are not separated between the top part and the legs; The grain goes right on throughout the entire back of the table, top to bottom. [URL]https://imgur.com/NLA9q7p[/URL] [URL]https://imgur.com/tqYGOfm[/URL] So what do you guys think? I think this is legitimate (I mean, there's a price tag on it!), but my mother seems to think it's some sort of elaborate fake. Also, one more thing.. This was discovered on a roadside in a city in Korea. Makes it very strange, how would it have gotten from France, to England, to Korea? Is this real, and if so, how much do you guys estimate it would cost? Thank you for your help! I'm interested to find out anything I can about this.[/QUOTE]
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