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<p>[QUOTE="User 67, post: 7086, member: 67"]Darling, with all due respect, I don't know if you are trying to be argumentative, or you just don't get it or you are incapable of understanding.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Wow! You sure got me there. Boy, do I feel foolish now. You are 100% right. ADL was offered as a possibility, and while holding that idea up to my own special brand of scrutiny, I ran with it. I assumed that <i>if </i>ADL issued and sold posters, there would be a gift shop, or a web site with a virtual gift shop, or a gift shop table set up at an awards dinner -does it <i>really </i>make any difference? Seriously?</p><p><br /></p><p>This is obviously a fund-raising poster, as all gift shop and museum shop posters are fund-raising efforts, as such the quality of the posters doesn't really vary that much. I wrote 1985, because that was what I see as the hayday of framed museum shop posters, though museum shop posters were made before and are <a href="http://www.allposters.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.allposters.com/" rel="nofollow">being made and reproduced today</a>. I could have written, 'from 1970-the present', but I was certain that would lead to a transgression like the one we are enjoying right now. Oh, well.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I am confused. Are we talking about your piece being an original litho (hypothetical or not) or are we talking about the manufacture and sale of original artists stone lithographs? Which would you like to learn more about?</p><p><br /></p><p>No, your misreading and misrepresenting of what we wrote is ridiculous. Alec said nothing about the value of artists stone lithos. I said that if an artist made a stone litho, and you took a photo of that litho and you made a cheap poster print of that litho and you sold it in a museum shop in 1985, and then if the person who bought it tried to sell that very same poster print in a garage sale today, I would expect they might have trouble getting $1 for it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Original Artist prints made with the stone lithography process can be quite valuable. Got it?</p><p><br /></p><p>Poster Prints of those valuable Original works <i>might </i>not be worth the paper they are printed on.</p><p><br /></p><p>The problem lies in the misleading antiquers jargon. If you were to sell a poster print of a Van Gogh painting as "original oil painting poster" that designation may be right but confusing because it isn't accurate. Which part of it is original? the painting or the poster. Are you saying there were never any posters of this painting made before, because we know it is an original Van Gogh that was photographed for the poster print. In the case of a Chagall poster, where Chagall was <i>commissioned </i>to create a unique work of art just for that poster, the designation 'original lithographic poster', might be used if you intend to state that an original litho was created to make the piece. However, that designation is confusing because you are not selling the actual work of art that Chagall produced. A more accurate designation might be 'Poster Print from a commissioned Chagall art work"</p><p><br /></p><p>Are you tired yet? I'm getting there.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I don't know if 1970s museum posters are selling for much. If the image was one that folks wanted to see, or if it peeked a particular interest, or if the printing was particularly fine (By fine I am thinking of some of the Italian or German printers of such material) or if it had a campy 1970s vibe or font, then I wouldn't be surprised to see someone pay the same price they would pay for a new print at allposters.com, (about $25) however those are all big ifs. If I hung said poster in my antique store priced at $25 unframed, I would expect it to hang in that spot till dooms day before that one special buyer came around.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, if <i>you </i>want to start collecting these posters and try to create a market for them, more power to you! If you had an allposter.com format, with a large collection of so called 'collectible' posters, you may be able to create a stir. And doing that would make you the expert in these materials in short order. I mean, shopping at allposter.com is a sterile experience and I am sure there are buyers willing to pay the same price for the same quality poster but one that is out of print and no longer available at any site like allposter.com. The main problem with these posters is that they fade and the paper yellows while allposter.com is offering the same type of thing with new printing on bright shiny paper.</p><p><br /></p><p>The main problem with a marketing strategy for old museum poster prints is that when allposter wants a new inventory of posters, they just push a button and wahlah they have another 100 posters sitting neatly on a shelf in their warehouse that they can get $25 a piece for, while an antique collector has to go to 1,000 garage sales before they can replenish that inventory, and oh my gosh, the headache of organizing them in a warehouse.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="User 67, post: 7086, member: 67"]Darling, with all due respect, I don't know if you are trying to be argumentative, or you just don't get it or you are incapable of understanding. Wow! You sure got me there. Boy, do I feel foolish now. You are 100% right. ADL was offered as a possibility, and while holding that idea up to my own special brand of scrutiny, I ran with it. I assumed that [I]if [/I]ADL issued and sold posters, there would be a gift shop, or a web site with a virtual gift shop, or a gift shop table set up at an awards dinner -does it [I]really [/I]make any difference? Seriously? This is obviously a fund-raising poster, as all gift shop and museum shop posters are fund-raising efforts, as such the quality of the posters doesn't really vary that much. I wrote 1985, because that was what I see as the hayday of framed museum shop posters, though museum shop posters were made before and are [URL='http://www.allposters.com/']being made and reproduced today[/URL]. I could have written, 'from 1970-the present', but I was certain that would lead to a transgression like the one we are enjoying right now. Oh, well. I am confused. Are we talking about your piece being an original litho (hypothetical or not) or are we talking about the manufacture and sale of original artists stone lithographs? Which would you like to learn more about? No, your misreading and misrepresenting of what we wrote is ridiculous. Alec said nothing about the value of artists stone lithos. I said that if an artist made a stone litho, and you took a photo of that litho and you made a cheap poster print of that litho and you sold it in a museum shop in 1985, and then if the person who bought it tried to sell that very same poster print in a garage sale today, I would expect they might have trouble getting $1 for it. Original Artist prints made with the stone lithography process can be quite valuable. Got it? Poster Prints of those valuable Original works [I]might [/I]not be worth the paper they are printed on. The problem lies in the misleading antiquers jargon. If you were to sell a poster print of a Van Gogh painting as "original oil painting poster" that designation may be right but confusing because it isn't accurate. Which part of it is original? the painting or the poster. Are you saying there were never any posters of this painting made before, because we know it is an original Van Gogh that was photographed for the poster print. In the case of a Chagall poster, where Chagall was [I]commissioned [/I]to create a unique work of art just for that poster, the designation 'original lithographic poster', might be used if you intend to state that an original litho was created to make the piece. However, that designation is confusing because you are not selling the actual work of art that Chagall produced. A more accurate designation might be 'Poster Print from a commissioned Chagall art work" Are you tired yet? I'm getting there. I don't know if 1970s museum posters are selling for much. If the image was one that folks wanted to see, or if it peeked a particular interest, or if the printing was particularly fine (By fine I am thinking of some of the Italian or German printers of such material) or if it had a campy 1970s vibe or font, then I wouldn't be surprised to see someone pay the same price they would pay for a new print at allposters.com, (about $25) however those are all big ifs. If I hung said poster in my antique store priced at $25 unframed, I would expect it to hang in that spot till dooms day before that one special buyer came around. Now, if [I]you [/I]want to start collecting these posters and try to create a market for them, more power to you! If you had an allposter.com format, with a large collection of so called 'collectible' posters, you may be able to create a stir. And doing that would make you the expert in these materials in short order. I mean, shopping at allposter.com is a sterile experience and I am sure there are buyers willing to pay the same price for the same quality poster but one that is out of print and no longer available at any site like allposter.com. The main problem with these posters is that they fade and the paper yellows while allposter.com is offering the same type of thing with new printing on bright shiny paper. The main problem with a marketing strategy for old museum poster prints is that when allposter wants a new inventory of posters, they just push a button and wahlah they have another 100 posters sitting neatly on a shelf in their warehouse that they can get $25 a piece for, while an antique collector has to go to 1,000 garage sales before they can replenish that inventory, and oh my gosh, the headache of organizing them in a warehouse.[/QUOTE]
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