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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Ladybranch, post: 46290, member: 44&quot;]I grew up with &quot;No cross, no crown&quot; as a Christian motto meaning no sacrifice/tribulations, no heavenly glory and in a secular manner as to exercise &quot;No pain, no gain&quot; - &quot;If you don&#039;t take pains you won&#039;t achieve anything,&quot; The thought of it meaning &quot;Don&#039;t discuss religion or politics&quot; never entered my head. I think I have heard the reference to Romans: 5 when Paul&#039;s speaks of &quot;...we glory in tribulations...&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p>&gt;...No Cross No Crown, .... Masonic item.&lt;</p><p><br /></p><p>I wouldn&#039;t be surprised at all of it being a Masonic emblem/symbol. This phrase became popular with William Penn&#039;s treatise/book <i>No Cross, No Crown </i>that he wrote in the 1660s while in prison. He was imprisoned in The Tower of London several times for his faith. The book is considered a Christian classic. My gut feeling is Masonic related sash/baldric ornaments. Their sashes, specifically the Knights Templar ones, have various emblems or/and badges with crowns, crosses, wreathes or combinations of all 3; however, haven&#039;t seen one before with red. Their sashes are wider in black or dark green velvet. I don&#039;t know what the ITOT represents, possibly one particular chapter - possibly in South Africa?? Many other fraternal orders also use crosses, crowns and wreath symbols. Nowwwww I wouldn&#039;t rule out military related either because the British, of which South Africa was under during the Boer War, use all sorts of crowns and crosses in their military regalia also. Sorry, I don&#039;t have more help for you. </p><p><br /></p><p>--- Susan[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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