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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Jivvy, post: 838084, member: 8184&quot;]<i>&quot;The only constant factors in Valenciennes lace are the very fine thread used and the total lack of thick outlining which makes it completely flat.&quot; (</i><u>Antique Lace: Identifying Types and Techniques</u><i>, </i>Heather Toomer)</p><p><br /></p><p><i>&quot;Unlike comparable Mechlin lace, it does not have an extra thread (cordonnet) outlining the pattern.&quot; </i>(<a href="https://trc-leiden.nl/trc-needles/regional-traditions/europe-and-north-america/lace-types/valenciennes-lace" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://trc-leiden.nl/trc-needles/regional-traditions/europe-and-north-america/lace-types/valenciennes-lace" rel="nofollow">The Textile Research Centre (TRC) Leiden</a>)</p><p><i><br /></i></p><p><i>&quot;The lace is distinguished by having no cordonnet (the raised outline present in most laces of the period to give definition to the design) and is consequently flat and even in texture. &quot; </i>(Encyclopædia Britannica, &quot;Valenciennes Lace&quot; 1999)</p><p><br /></p><p>According to everything I have read, not having an outline like you mention is one of the defining features of Valenciennes.&nbsp; Having a ring pair outline is defining.</p><p><br /></p><p>The photos you posted demonstrate one thing clearly to me: one of these is not like the other. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=";)" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; The first piece has a clear cordonnet.&nbsp; My best guess is that it is Mechlin lace which is very much like Valenciennes, but with the cordonnet.</p><p><br /></p><p>The second photo you post is difficult to see, but I do think it and the remaining all have a ring pair outline, so yes, I expect they are Valenciennes.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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