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<p>[QUOTE="James Conrad, post: 850838, member: 5066"]Wasn't trying to be flip there, just answering your question.</p><p><br /></p><p>Yeah is, the thing is, even if your couch had a Jelliff label (which it doesn't), that does not mean it is in fact built by Jelliff</p><p>"According to "American Cabinetmakers, Marked American Furniture 1640-1940" by William Ketchum, Crown Publishers, John Jelliff (1813-1893) was a cabinetmaker in New Jersey who worked from 1836 to 1843 in partnership with Thomas Vantilburg. He then has his own shop in Newark until retiring in 1860. After he retired, his business was taken over by Henry Miller who ran it under Jelliff's name until 1890.</p><p><br /></p><p>It's hard to attribute something directly to John Jelliff, even with a label. The only change to the label when Miller took over in 1860 was the addition of the word "Co." to Jelliff's mark. Thus "John Jelliff & Co." and "J.J. Co." indicate work by Miller's shop, not Jelliff. Add to that the fact that while Jelliff's work, and Miller's for that matter, were distinctive, they were by no means unique. In 19th century shops sometimes many hands were involved in the carving and construction, making identification of a given face almost impossible. And those hands often worked in different shops during a short period of time."</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Agrees, i am goin with johnny on this one.</p><p>If buying for yourself then that's fine, if buying to flip at a profit, probably not a good idea. Most victorian furniture is going for a song these days unless museum quality with rock solid provenance.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="James Conrad, post: 850838, member: 5066"]Wasn't trying to be flip there, just answering your question. Yeah is, the thing is, even if your couch had a Jelliff label (which it doesn't), that does not mean it is in fact built by Jelliff "According to "American Cabinetmakers, Marked American Furniture 1640-1940" by William Ketchum, Crown Publishers, John Jelliff (1813-1893) was a cabinetmaker in New Jersey who worked from 1836 to 1843 in partnership with Thomas Vantilburg. He then has his own shop in Newark until retiring in 1860. After he retired, his business was taken over by Henry Miller who ran it under Jelliff's name until 1890. It's hard to attribute something directly to John Jelliff, even with a label. The only change to the label when Miller took over in 1860 was the addition of the word "Co." to Jelliff's mark. Thus "John Jelliff & Co." and "J.J. Co." indicate work by Miller's shop, not Jelliff. Add to that the fact that while Jelliff's work, and Miller's for that matter, were distinctive, they were by no means unique. In 19th century shops sometimes many hands were involved in the carving and construction, making identification of a given face almost impossible. And those hands often worked in different shops during a short period of time." Agrees, i am goin with johnny on this one. If buying for yourself then that's fine, if buying to flip at a profit, probably not a good idea. Most victorian furniture is going for a song these days unless museum quality with rock solid provenance.[/QUOTE]
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