Log in or Sign up
Antiques Board
Home
Forums
>
Antique Forums
>
Antique Discussion
>
Is This Antique Unsigned Marble Bust A Grave Marker Or A Regular Decorative Art Work?
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="SYNCHRONCITY, post: 2161610, member: 6283"]It is definitely a kit doll. The coloring and style of glaze is way off for it to be an antique china head doll. I have been collecting antique china and bisque head dolls for over 20 years. Once you've seen so many you just know by looking when you see a kit doll or a reproduction. This was a copy of a German low-brow Hertwig doll circa late 1890's-1915.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some of the later German lowbrow dolls did have names on the back, but they were called pet name china head dolls and were also made by Hertwig. Those ones would have a single name marked on them with names such as Helen, Bertha, etc. You would never see a last name on one of those antique dolls.</p><p><br /></p><p>The marking on the back of the shoulder head means one of two things. Oda Rice was most likely the person that made it from a kit and marked it with her birth date. There were no such antique German doll makers or doll models by the name of Oda Rice.</p><p><br /></p><p>A lot of people who made these kit dolls signed their full names on the back and once in a while put their birthday (not very often). More often they would put the year it was made instead. It looks like it was made sometime in the 1940's-1960's. If the original clothing was made out of rayon, acetate, polyester or polyester blends then you can date it more towards the 60's or later. Antique doll clothing was never made of these man made fabrics and were mostly made out of cotton, silk, taffeta, satin, brocade, etc and more natural fabrics. The dress looks original to her.</p><p><br /></p><p>The other scenario is sometimes people faked these dolls and sold them as antique china head dolls and this person could have put the date of 1898 to fool someone into thinking it was old. This is less likely what happened here. I think the first scenario I mentioned is closest to what was done. I hope my info has helped you. If you have anymore questions, please ask at any time.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="SYNCHRONCITY, post: 2161610, member: 6283"]It is definitely a kit doll. The coloring and style of glaze is way off for it to be an antique china head doll. I have been collecting antique china and bisque head dolls for over 20 years. Once you've seen so many you just know by looking when you see a kit doll or a reproduction. This was a copy of a German low-brow Hertwig doll circa late 1890's-1915. Some of the later German lowbrow dolls did have names on the back, but they were called pet name china head dolls and were also made by Hertwig. Those ones would have a single name marked on them with names such as Helen, Bertha, etc. You would never see a last name on one of those antique dolls. The marking on the back of the shoulder head means one of two things. Oda Rice was most likely the person that made it from a kit and marked it with her birth date. There were no such antique German doll makers or doll models by the name of Oda Rice. A lot of people who made these kit dolls signed their full names on the back and once in a while put their birthday (not very often). More often they would put the year it was made instead. It looks like it was made sometime in the 1940's-1960's. If the original clothing was made out of rayon, acetate, polyester or polyester blends then you can date it more towards the 60's or later. Antique doll clothing was never made of these man made fabrics and were mostly made out of cotton, silk, taffeta, satin, brocade, etc and more natural fabrics. The dress looks original to her. The other scenario is sometimes people faked these dolls and sold them as antique china head dolls and this person could have put the date of 1898 to fool someone into thinking it was old. This is less likely what happened here. I think the first scenario I mentioned is closest to what was done. I hope my info has helped you. If you have anymore questions, please ask at any time.[/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Antiques Board
Home
Forums
>
Antique Forums
>
Antique Discussion
>
Is This Antique Unsigned Marble Bust A Grave Marker Or A Regular Decorative Art Work?
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Registered Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...