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<p>[QUOTE="2manybooks, post: 4054584, member: 8267"]per [USER=45]@Taupou[/USER] in a 2015 comment posted on the ebay forum:</p><p><br /></p><p>"The basket is not a "fake," but it is not Native American. It is a pine needle and raffia basket, with a Tenerife stitch on the lid. No Native American basket makers ever made this type of basket traditionally. The term "Tenerife" comes from Tenerife Island, in the Canary Islands off Spain, where the style of basket originated. </p><p><br /></p><p>Raffia stitched pine needle baskets became popular in the southern part of the U.S. in the mid-1800s. Non-Native American women made them as a craft item. There were groups, similar to sewing circles, who met to learn to make pine needle baskets. Over time it became a "traditional" American folk craft, taught in schools, summer camps, and scout groups. Missionaries even introduced the craft to Native American tribes in the South, including the Coushatta and Seminole (who used colored thread, rather than raffia, to stitch the coils) as a possible source of income. </p><p><br /></p><p>There are many people all over the country today that still make pine needle baskets, both with tenerrife stitching, and with other popular techniques. There are countless books available in the Crafts section of every bookstore and library on how to make them. Women's magazines for the last 100 years or so have had "How to do" articles about them. They are a common item at craft fairs and church bazaars. There are even pine needle basket "kits" sold through craft stores like JoAnn and Michaels, complete with materials and instructions. </p><p><br /></p><p>They are attractive, and popular collectibles. But they are not Native American, and cannot be listed in the Native American category on eBay under eBay listing policy, even if it is not described as Indian or Native American in the listing, because there is simply no way to determine the ethnic heritage of the maker, and it is not a type of basket traditionally associated with any Native American tribe, despite what you may read on the internet. (By far the majority of baskets on eBay are misidentified, especially when it comes to "Native American" ones.) Some Coushatta basket makers do make pine needle baskets today, but unless there is documented proof, and the name of the maker is known, they cannot be sold as Coushatta or Native American. </p><p><br /></p><p>With the number of both Native American and non-Native American basket makers today, there simply isn't any way to tell if a pine needle basket is "obviously native made."</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://community.ebay.com/t5/Archive-Collectibles/Native-Coushatta-Basket/td-p/24345395" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://community.ebay.com/t5/Archive-Collectibles/Native-Coushatta-Basket/td-p/24345395" rel="nofollow">https://community.ebay.com/t5/Archive-Collectibles/Native-Coushatta-Basket/td-p/24345395</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="2manybooks, post: 4054584, member: 8267"]per [USER=45]@Taupou[/USER] in a 2015 comment posted on the ebay forum: "The basket is not a "fake," but it is not Native American. It is a pine needle and raffia basket, with a Tenerife stitch on the lid. No Native American basket makers ever made this type of basket traditionally.[B] [/B]The term "Tenerife" comes from Tenerife Island, in the Canary Islands off Spain, where the style of basket originated. Raffia stitched pine needle baskets became popular in the southern part of the U.S. in the mid-1800s. Non-Native American women made them as a craft item. There were groups, similar to sewing circles, who met to learn to make pine needle baskets. Over time it became a "traditional" American folk craft, taught in schools, summer camps, and scout groups. Missionaries even introduced the craft to Native American tribes in the South, including the Coushatta and Seminole (who used colored thread, rather than raffia, to stitch the coils) as a possible source of income. There are many people all over the country today that still make pine needle baskets, both with tenerrife stitching, and with other popular techniques. There are countless books available in the Crafts section of every bookstore and library on how to make them. Women's magazines for the last 100 years or so have had "How to do" articles about them. They are a common item at craft fairs and church bazaars. There are even pine needle basket "kits" sold through craft stores like JoAnn and Michaels, complete with materials and instructions. They are attractive, and popular collectibles. But they are not Native American, and cannot be listed in the Native American category on eBay under eBay listing policy, even if it is not described as Indian or Native American in the listing, because there is simply no way to determine the ethnic heritage of the maker, and it is not a type of basket traditionally associated with any Native American tribe, despite what you may read on the internet. (By far the majority of baskets on eBay are misidentified, especially when it comes to "Native American" ones.) Some Coushatta basket makers do make pine needle baskets today, but unless there is documented proof, and the name of the maker is known, they cannot be sold as Coushatta or Native American. With the number of both Native American and non-Native American basket makers today, there simply isn't any way to tell if a pine needle basket is "obviously native made." [URL]https://community.ebay.com/t5/Archive-Collectibles/Native-Coushatta-Basket/td-p/24345395[/URL][/QUOTE]
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