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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;bercrystal, post: 9583255, member: 88&quot;]Now you might understand why some folks have been driven to madness trying to ID Haviland patterns.&nbsp; <img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=";)" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie51" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie51" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>A group of plates may all look the same but there is a subtle difference in the flowers. Maybe the leaves are a different shape or they added a tiny blue flower to one of the groups of pink &amp; white flowers. Then there is the fact that the same pattern was used on different shape plates. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/eek.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":eek:" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/rolleyes.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>There is a 5 volume set of small booklets that were written by a mother &amp; son team to put an ID to obscure Haviland patterns. The son drew the patterns &amp; each pattern was assigned a number. That is how the &quot;Schleiger numbers&quot; came about as they were named for the mother &amp; son. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie49" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>The Haviland book is also shown on this Google page. </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=585632222&amp;sxsrf=AM9HkKnBfkZDxE2tvjNUxqFLxkPco4bXeg:1701097952850&amp;q=schleiger+number+reference+guide&amp;tbm=isch&amp;source=lnms&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwiyotTZu-SCAxVnmWoFHeOKC18Q0pQJegQICBAB&amp;biw=1920&amp;bih=931&amp;dpr=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=585632222&amp;sxsrf=AM9HkKnBfkZDxE2tvjNUxqFLxkPco4bXeg:1701097952850&amp;q=schleiger+number+reference+guide&amp;tbm=isch&amp;source=lnms&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwiyotTZu-SCAxVnmWoFHeOKC18Q0pQJegQICBAB&amp;biw=1920&amp;bih=931&amp;dpr=1" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=585632222&amp;sxsrf=AM9HkKnBfkZDxE2tvjNUxqFLxkPco4bXeg:1701097952850&amp;q=schleiger+number+reference+guide&amp;tbm=isch&amp;source=lnms&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwiyotTZu-SCAxVnmWoFHeOKC18Q0pQJegQICBAB&amp;biw=1920&amp;bih=931&amp;dpr=1</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Then there is the reference book put out by Replacements Ltd. which is 1 1/2&quot; thick &amp; has 577 pages. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/rolleyes.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/rolleyes.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>You may also try contacting Replacements Ltd. They at one time would help you ID patterns. </p><p><br /></p><p>Good luck &amp; if you ever do find an answer please do let us know. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie49" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie49" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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