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<p>[QUOTE="KylieS, post: 4618789, member: 22292"]Just an update that the eBay listing, although certainly a match for a companion piece, sadly isn't helping matters - I'm not sure the vendor exactly knows what they have either. No mention in the listing of the date codes used to get to 1913, and I can't make out the codes on the back of that example either. Also seems a bit odd to say this is "Apprey pattern" (though there are influences). So, overall I'm not convinced I can rely on the info they have supplied.</p><p><br /></p><p>The problem is that all the sites I normally go to for info on dating ceramics indicate this piece to be from mid 19th c. 3 digit date codes didn't start until 1860 which could be why mine doesn't have a code; the Etruria mark in this iteration is noted as being "used for a short period from 1840". Also, the shape of the plate with its rounded bottom and lack of a foot rim seems to indicate earlier than 20th c. </p><p><br /></p><p>The things that don't marry up with the mid19th C date for me are 1/ the lack of wear (all my older pieces without a foot rim are much more scraped / scratched than this, even when they're in relatively good condition). 2/ The development of the glazes which are so crisp and consistent that they seem to indicate later firing / manufacturing techniques. And finally 3/ the presence of Made in England in the marks, which apparently didn't come into use until 1908.</p><p><br /></p><p>I keep thinking it could be fake?</p><p><br /></p><p>But I am no Wedgwood expert ! Maybe they did use Made in England on earlier pieces; and were ahead of the game in their firings! I'd love to hear anyone else's thoughts who knows more than me and has handled more of this type of ware.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="KylieS, post: 4618789, member: 22292"]Just an update that the eBay listing, although certainly a match for a companion piece, sadly isn't helping matters - I'm not sure the vendor exactly knows what they have either. No mention in the listing of the date codes used to get to 1913, and I can't make out the codes on the back of that example either. Also seems a bit odd to say this is "Apprey pattern" (though there are influences). So, overall I'm not convinced I can rely on the info they have supplied. The problem is that all the sites I normally go to for info on dating ceramics indicate this piece to be from mid 19th c. 3 digit date codes didn't start until 1860 which could be why mine doesn't have a code; the Etruria mark in this iteration is noted as being "used for a short period from 1840". Also, the shape of the plate with its rounded bottom and lack of a foot rim seems to indicate earlier than 20th c. The things that don't marry up with the mid19th C date for me are 1/ the lack of wear (all my older pieces without a foot rim are much more scraped / scratched than this, even when they're in relatively good condition). 2/ The development of the glazes which are so crisp and consistent that they seem to indicate later firing / manufacturing techniques. And finally 3/ the presence of Made in England in the marks, which apparently didn't come into use until 1908. I keep thinking it could be fake? But I am no Wedgwood expert ! Maybe they did use Made in England on earlier pieces; and were ahead of the game in their firings! I'd love to hear anyone else's thoughts who knows more than me and has handled more of this type of ware.[/QUOTE]
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