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<p>[QUOTE="Any Jewelry, post: 4308705, member: 2844"]Ken Yap, the way the birds on your plate are painted looks Persian/Iranian to me. Although I don't recognize the general style of your plate, I would think it is either from Iran, or from one of the Persian-influenced regions.</p><p><br /></p><p>Gypsies don't have a native tradition of making ceramics, btw. There have been Gypsy ceramicists (in former times usually slaves), but they worked in the tradition of the region they lived in.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Western idea that living things are not depicted in Islamic art or art from predominantly Islamic countries is very persistent, but not based on the truth.</p><p>Not only is art from Islamic regions filled with depictions of animals and birds, but people are also represented, even the Prophet Muhammad.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have posted photos as proof of the depiction of living things in Islamic art before, but here are some more.</p><p><br /></p><p>Kashmiri hunting rug:</p><p><img src="https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rugsandbeyond.com%2Fmedia%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Fcache%2F1%2Fimage%2F9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95%2FD%2FS%2FDSC_0093_1.jpg&sp=1631526653T84f914c80063b1c53e5dc6513b4a3ed0abfda28e25b5bc3901b78f8f1dafc1f6" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Muhammad leads Jesus and Jewish prophets in prayer, Persian miniature:</p><p><img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Medieval_Persian_manuscript_Muhammad_leads_Abraham_Moses_Jesus.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Afghan rug with animals:</p><p><img src="https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gEQAAOSwmBJhPart/s-l1600.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Even in present-day Iran.</p><p>Detail of an Isfahan minakari plate:</p><p><img src="https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fshopiranart.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2021%2F02%2FMina-kari-Persian-Enamel-Plate-Eden-Bird-Design-1.jpg&sp=1631527275T5a8e91d62cad0afeebbc65a17edd8aabf1054973e439524a689e25178de1cad1" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>And even nudity, Adam and Eve on a charming Turkish miniature:</p><p><img src="https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fimages-na.ssl-images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F511eM9lRhIL._SX371_BO1%2C204%2C203%2C200_.jpg&sp=1631527768T309ee36110a1fec50e4922449cc1a890c3ea4b63d4d59bf57db475b47327d6e1" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Any Jewelry, post: 4308705, member: 2844"]Ken Yap, the way the birds on your plate are painted looks Persian/Iranian to me. Although I don't recognize the general style of your plate, I would think it is either from Iran, or from one of the Persian-influenced regions. Gypsies don't have a native tradition of making ceramics, btw. There have been Gypsy ceramicists (in former times usually slaves), but they worked in the tradition of the region they lived in. The Western idea that living things are not depicted in Islamic art or art from predominantly Islamic countries is very persistent, but not based on the truth. Not only is art from Islamic regions filled with depictions of animals and birds, but people are also represented, even the Prophet Muhammad. I have posted photos as proof of the depiction of living things in Islamic art before, but here are some more. Kashmiri hunting rug: [IMG]https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rugsandbeyond.com%2Fmedia%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Fcache%2F1%2Fimage%2F9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95%2FD%2FS%2FDSC_0093_1.jpg&sp=1631526653T84f914c80063b1c53e5dc6513b4a3ed0abfda28e25b5bc3901b78f8f1dafc1f6[/IMG] Muhammad leads Jesus and Jewish prophets in prayer, Persian miniature: [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Medieval_Persian_manuscript_Muhammad_leads_Abraham_Moses_Jesus.jpg[/IMG] Afghan rug with animals: [IMG]https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/gEQAAOSwmBJhPart/s-l1600.jpg[/IMG] Even in present-day Iran. Detail of an Isfahan minakari plate: [IMG]https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fshopiranart.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2021%2F02%2FMina-kari-Persian-Enamel-Plate-Eden-Bird-Design-1.jpg&sp=1631527275T5a8e91d62cad0afeebbc65a17edd8aabf1054973e439524a689e25178de1cad1[/IMG] And even nudity, Adam and Eve on a charming Turkish miniature: [IMG]https://www.startpage.com/av/proxy-image?piurl=https%3A%2F%2Fimages-na.ssl-images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F511eM9lRhIL._SX371_BO1%2C204%2C203%2C200_.jpg&sp=1631527768T309ee36110a1fec50e4922449cc1a890c3ea4b63d4d59bf57db475b47327d6e1[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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