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<p>[QUOTE="KylieS, post: 4506874, member: 22292"]Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge on this. This is a good explanation for why I've found so many pieces that look 1920s - 1930s to my eye but then back stamps indicate they are much earlier. </p><p><br /></p><p>You are right about Charles Rennie Makintosh for sure - I saw some of his work in a Museum of decorative arts in Edinburgh and wow they looked 30-40 years ahead of their time. I know that Paris was also at the forefront of design (and especially in the advent of Art Deco!) but the quality of this plate, which is a lovely design but would have been well suited to mass production, just seems like it would be a later production rather than an avant garde design. I'm not sure if that's the way to approach it, just a feeling really. </p><p><br /></p><p>It's hard to know exactly because I can't find any info about what happened to the TF (Thoedore Fenal) brand of Badonviller after he died and Edouard took over. I still would think this piece would be likely to have been a bit later than 1905, as Art Nouveau china patterns were still hugely popular at that time and up until the start of WWI. But yes there will be some outliers...I'd love to know if Badonviller made the first push for these more minimal and graphic designs while competing amidst a plethora of vining flowers and intricate border patterns. It's entirely possible as a great deal of their production would be Art Deco in style.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks so much again![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="KylieS, post: 4506874, member: 22292"]Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge on this. This is a good explanation for why I've found so many pieces that look 1920s - 1930s to my eye but then back stamps indicate they are much earlier. You are right about Charles Rennie Makintosh for sure - I saw some of his work in a Museum of decorative arts in Edinburgh and wow they looked 30-40 years ahead of their time. I know that Paris was also at the forefront of design (and especially in the advent of Art Deco!) but the quality of this plate, which is a lovely design but would have been well suited to mass production, just seems like it would be a later production rather than an avant garde design. I'm not sure if that's the way to approach it, just a feeling really. It's hard to know exactly because I can't find any info about what happened to the TF (Thoedore Fenal) brand of Badonviller after he died and Edouard took over. I still would think this piece would be likely to have been a bit later than 1905, as Art Nouveau china patterns were still hugely popular at that time and up until the start of WWI. But yes there will be some outliers...I'd love to know if Badonviller made the first push for these more minimal and graphic designs while competing amidst a plethora of vining flowers and intricate border patterns. It's entirely possible as a great deal of their production would be Art Deco in style. Thanks so much again![/QUOTE]
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