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<p>[QUOTE="Francisco G Kempton, post: 4480247, member: 22714"]I found this in Joan Van Pattens encylopedia of Noritake; Just to be clear Van Patten did find lots of Nippon Moriage ware, made before 1921 but couold not find any made after 1921.</p><p><br /></p><p>Quote:</p><p>Being a 'nipponologist' i researched pieces produced in the nippon time period 1891-1921. However when collecting later Noritake peices i noticed a conspicuous</p><p>absence of wares decorted in moriage fashion and also those employing the tapestry technique ans the use of beading and incised decoration. I was hard pressed to find any such as this between 1921 -1941. If any do exist they were most likley made in the early twenties following the trend set during the Nippon years. It makes one wonder why they dissappeared as they were so popular. Most of the techniques did require a great deal more work than others and perhaps in an effort to keep prices low they were discontrinued in favour of the use od decals or it was just a sign of the times. Decals gave the appearence of being handpainted but could be applied quicly and inexpensivley. Decals were usually touched up by handpainting, so since it still invoilved hand painting the item could truthfully bear the backamrk /backstamp haind painted noritake.</p><p><br /></p><p>****************************END</p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":)" unselectable="on" /></p><p>So as with the rose vases i posted above these are the earliest and are actually handpainted, they are not decals. I cannot say what other Noritake ware such as the meadows etc, whether they are decals or haindpainted but i am guessing they are decals.</p><p><br /></p><p>So it is very rare to find truly haindpainted Noritake, and these rose vases, and i have a tea set also painted too, are among the first and very rare. I will try get a picture of my other noritake rose if i can.</p><p><br /></p><p>The fact they are roses on my noritake does not compare to your Nippon Moriage Moonbasket posted above because as Nippon was so handmade it is not so signifigant as they can paint many variations using many styles, in any case the manner in which the roses are painted are different, but the vase i have would have been painted in production line manner where they are all similar.</p><p><br /></p><p>There is also a small chance my noritake vase are decals. I have not used a super magnifying glass on them. I just know they are a very early design, that was used in the nippon era and they did not use decals during that time and so they are usually attributed to being handpainted.</p><p><br /></p><p>I will use a super magnifying glass to make 100% sure in the future.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>What is Nippon to Europe</p><p><br /></p><p>I recall somone once asking what the difference is between Nippon and the european counterpart in the uk, as Nippon is a uniquely American word or term, but i guess there has always been more to Nippon.</p><p><br /></p><p>One the Nippon items are generally handmade, hand painted and of better quality in that respect. Later Noritake are commonly Decals.</p><p><br /></p><p>2. Nippon became such a trend that i is highly prone to fakes, whereas in europe that was never the case, and so finding authentic 19891-1921 Noritake, Japanese moriage is much easier and they are much more likely to be authentic.</p><p><br /></p><p>In USA there are many copies and fakes cashing in on the popularity of Nippon.</p><p><br /></p><p>Please see this for many fake marks..The mark on your moonbasket is not in the list of fakes but this is worth reading.</p><p><a href="https://www.realorrepro.com/article/New-Porcelain-Marked-Nippon" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.realorrepro.com/article/New-Porcelain-Marked-Nippon" rel="nofollow">https://www.realorrepro.com/article/New-Porcelain-Marked-Nippon</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://myriadtradingco.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/nippon-backstamps-and-known-dates-of-manufacture/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://myriadtradingco.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/nippon-backstamps-and-known-dates-of-manufacture/" rel="nofollow">https://myriadtradingco.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/nippon-backstamps-and-known-dates-of-manufacture/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The backmark on your Moriage moonbasket looks like the early Noritake mark for sure. You will need to research Noritake moriage moonbaskets, any authentic Nippon ware is usually quite sought after. So if Noritake made Moriage Moonbaskets then it is defiently worth researching that, i coudl not find the moriage moon basket mentioned or published in Joan Van Pattens encylopedia of Noritake. However Van Pattens encylopedia is not all that comprehensive.</p><p><br /></p><p>Noritake Moriage is rare, if you in the USA with a Nippon that has the UK noritake mark then you will wan to research Noritake and make sure they made these. I googled this and there are many nippon examples and soem that have the Handpainted flower backmark for the Moriumur brothers.</p><p><br /></p><p>Maybe see if Morimur borthers sent these Moon baskets to the Uk with the Maruki mark instead of their hand painted mark. I apologies for the late reply and for not being able to help you more with this Moriage basket.</p><p>I cannot say if it is authentic or not, I am not experienced with Nippon moriage. I am more familiar with european noritake.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Francisco G Kempton, post: 4480247, member: 22714"]I found this in Joan Van Pattens encylopedia of Noritake; Just to be clear Van Patten did find lots of Nippon Moriage ware, made before 1921 but couold not find any made after 1921. Quote: Being a 'nipponologist' i researched pieces produced in the nippon time period 1891-1921. However when collecting later Noritake peices i noticed a conspicuous absence of wares decorted in moriage fashion and also those employing the tapestry technique ans the use of beading and incised decoration. I was hard pressed to find any such as this between 1921 -1941. If any do exist they were most likley made in the early twenties following the trend set during the Nippon years. It makes one wonder why they dissappeared as they were so popular. Most of the techniques did require a great deal more work than others and perhaps in an effort to keep prices low they were discontrinued in favour of the use od decals or it was just a sign of the times. Decals gave the appearence of being handpainted but could be applied quicly and inexpensivley. Decals were usually touched up by handpainting, so since it still invoilved hand painting the item could truthfully bear the backamrk /backstamp haind painted noritake. ****************************END :) So as with the rose vases i posted above these are the earliest and are actually handpainted, they are not decals. I cannot say what other Noritake ware such as the meadows etc, whether they are decals or haindpainted but i am guessing they are decals. So it is very rare to find truly haindpainted Noritake, and these rose vases, and i have a tea set also painted too, are among the first and very rare. I will try get a picture of my other noritake rose if i can. The fact they are roses on my noritake does not compare to your Nippon Moriage Moonbasket posted above because as Nippon was so handmade it is not so signifigant as they can paint many variations using many styles, in any case the manner in which the roses are painted are different, but the vase i have would have been painted in production line manner where they are all similar. There is also a small chance my noritake vase are decals. I have not used a super magnifying glass on them. I just know they are a very early design, that was used in the nippon era and they did not use decals during that time and so they are usually attributed to being handpainted. I will use a super magnifying glass to make 100% sure in the future. What is Nippon to Europe I recall somone once asking what the difference is between Nippon and the european counterpart in the uk, as Nippon is a uniquely American word or term, but i guess there has always been more to Nippon. One the Nippon items are generally handmade, hand painted and of better quality in that respect. Later Noritake are commonly Decals. 2. Nippon became such a trend that i is highly prone to fakes, whereas in europe that was never the case, and so finding authentic 19891-1921 Noritake, Japanese moriage is much easier and they are much more likely to be authentic. In USA there are many copies and fakes cashing in on the popularity of Nippon. Please see this for many fake marks..The mark on your moonbasket is not in the list of fakes but this is worth reading. [URL]https://www.realorrepro.com/article/New-Porcelain-Marked-Nippon[/URL] [URL]https://myriadtradingco.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/nippon-backstamps-and-known-dates-of-manufacture/[/URL] The backmark on your Moriage moonbasket looks like the early Noritake mark for sure. You will need to research Noritake moriage moonbaskets, any authentic Nippon ware is usually quite sought after. So if Noritake made Moriage Moonbaskets then it is defiently worth researching that, i coudl not find the moriage moon basket mentioned or published in Joan Van Pattens encylopedia of Noritake. However Van Pattens encylopedia is not all that comprehensive. Noritake Moriage is rare, if you in the USA with a Nippon that has the UK noritake mark then you will wan to research Noritake and make sure they made these. I googled this and there are many nippon examples and soem that have the Handpainted flower backmark for the Moriumur brothers. Maybe see if Morimur borthers sent these Moon baskets to the Uk with the Maruki mark instead of their hand painted mark. I apologies for the late reply and for not being able to help you more with this Moriage basket. I cannot say if it is authentic or not, I am not experienced with Nippon moriage. I am more familiar with european noritake.[/QUOTE]
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