guys any idea of the brand of this watch

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Mariyan perera, Apr 20, 2017.

  1. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    You are mistaken

    Magnetism and hsir springs has always been a problem, both minor and incurable for many years, increasing accuracy of watches spurred research into steels and alloys that would resist becoming magnetised in the early 20th C, and new materials came into common use in the 30s. The new materials such as Invar also tended to be very resistant to variations due to temperature. The is no real connection to trains or locos.

    In Britain the 'official' railway time was not the guard's watches but the station master clocks. Using clock systems like the Pulsynetic from Gents, or the Synchronome, one master clock of great accuracy could contol a large number of slave clocks.
    Even before the introduction of master/slave clock systems, the station clocks would be regulated daily by a telegraph time signal, a system almost as old as the railways.
    Watches for staff were a convenience, not a necessity.
     
  2. Mariyan perera

    Mariyan perera Well-Known Member

    Guys He send me another set of rail road items. he says he is willing to sell it for $150 dollers. Il attach the full set of items. a certain item attached to the railway whistle i dont know. any inside or more info regarding these items would be highly appreciated.
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  3. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    The watch looks pretty standard, early 20th century. The coin looks like an American dime or quarter, probably silver, given the date of...what looks like 1898.

    The whistle is a standard ACME Thunderer escargot-style whistle. Extremely common whistle manufactured in its millions. I have absolutely no idea what the thing hanging off the end of the whistle is.
     
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  4. Mariyan perera

    Mariyan perera Well-Known Member

    i thought it is some kind of lever related to railway key or something. any idea of the brand of the clock guys. At Afantiques? what do you think? the makers mark looks very much distorted. very difficult to find the maker. any guess?
     
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  5. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

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  6. Mariyan perera

    Mariyan perera Well-Known Member

    ohh thanks a lot. thats more convenient. no need to carry a whistle. any idea of the brand of the pocket watch?
     
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  7. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    Without seeing inside the watch, it would be impossible to tell what it is. The design is VERY generic. Watches like that were made in Europe, in England, in Canada, in America...they were made and sold all over the world. Without seeing a maker's mark, the most we could do is guess at the age, which would be early 1900s in my book.
     
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  8. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    If you want to while away an hour or several, google on the history of Railway Time. It's fascinating.
     
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  9. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    I have done that, and I have whiled away SEVERAL hundreds of hours!! :p
     
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  10. coreya

    coreya Well-Known Member

    The watch chain and possible the watch case may be silver but unless that's the case 150 is a stretch.
     
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  11. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    The chain looks like it's silver (I can see what I think are hallmarks on the T-bar at the end).

    The watch doesn't look like silver though. It looks like it's nickel or something. Or some sort of plated metal.
     
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  12. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    I can't read what is on the dial. Note that things like 'The Railway Timekeeper' were generic watch names, and did not mean the watch had anything to do with railways, it was just advertising pufferey. I am pretty sure that one is Swiss made.

    The Acme whistle is common. The carriage door key is probably not hard to find, I had one myself when I was a teenager and used it to lock myself in on long train journeys. If there was no corridor, this meant I could have a whole compartment to myself. I'd just rech out through the window to unlock the door when past the last station before mine.
    The watch appears to have a damaged dial and to be a routine early 20th C watch. I am pretty sure the chain is silver, since the T bar is silver and hallmarked.
     
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  13. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    i concur....the chain is silver.....the watch likely not.....and i see no railroad connection here......
    the whistle....and key......that may be indeed railroad related...
     
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  14. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    The whistle + key are most likely RR related, and probably used by the guard or the conductor to signal the train to leave the station and to lock and unlock carriage doors.

    The watch, I dunno. As AF said, using 'railroad' on watches was a common marketing ploy back in the old days. But that didn't necessarily mean much.
     
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  15. Mariyan perera

    Mariyan perera Well-Known Member

    guys just for information. how can you people just by watching at the chain concludes it's silver. I mean i was trying hard to find the connection but couldnt. how come you guys distinguish silver from stainless steal??
     
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  16. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    We know it's silver because we can see the silver hallmarks on the T-bar at the end of the chain - the little punched indentations in the metal, which would've been made by someone working in an assay-office.

    For silver to be sold, it has to be assayed (verified and tested) before it can be put on the market. Silver was sent to assay halls to be tested and marked. Once the silver was tested, then little steel punches were pressed onto the silver and hammered into place, leaving a dent and an impression in the silver.

    That's what we're looking at.
     
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  17. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    The chain itself, if British, would have a tiny lion stamped on every link if possible, depends on the design of the chain but almost always found on curb link chains. Sometimes it is so badly rubbed only a ghost mark remains, but this is enough to show the educated eye it was once there.
    It would be unusual to find a silver T bar on a non silver chain, unless someone has made it up out of odd bits.
     
  18. Mariyan perera

    Mariyan perera Well-Known Member

    thats quite an observation. thanks guys
     
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  19. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    sometimes the links are punched too...
     
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  20. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    Sometimes. Not always. If the links are too small then they can't be punched, in which case, the T-bar and the clasps are the only parts which are punched. But I have seen chains with each link stamped with a microscopic little lion figure.
     
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