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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;IvaPan, post: 7673542, member: 78949&quot;]Actually, the topic starter has stated that&nbsp; she has identified exactly the kokoshnik mark as the mark of Lebedkin, head of Moscow assay office. I commented that the only way this to be true is to have his initials И.Л.&nbsp; inside the kokoshnik mark - like here <a href="https://nummi.ru/kleimo/dop-kleima/kleymo-okruzhnyh-probirnyh-upravleniy-1899-1908-gg.-ru-11/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://nummi.ru/kleimo/dop-kleima/kleymo-okruzhnyh-probirnyh-upravleniy-1899-1908-gg.-ru-11/" rel="nofollow">https://nummi.ru/kleimo/dop-kleima/kleymo-okruzhnyh-probirnyh-upravleniy-1899-1908-gg.-ru-11/</a></p><p>I can&#039;t discern on the photos if this is the case. Assumed that the TS has seen these initials there. If so, the item was made in Moscow. If not...</p><p>Then, I think the maker&#039;s initials are Ф.Р. , at least from what I see on the photos. And have pondered on that.</p><p>And then, in the third cartouche, next to the 84 finess mark there should be the city mark. Which I also commented based on what I see.</p><p><br /></p><p>It will be really useful if the TS provides better photos of the marks or at least comments on our thoughts.</p><p><br /></p><p>After 1908 the kokoshnik head is looking right like on this item so it is not pre 1908 mark but after it. Pre 1908 kokoshnik head was looking left. Judging only&nbsp; by the kokoshnik, it is an item made after 1908.</p><p>But there are some discrepancies in the marks on this item, which may be solved if better photos are provided. Or may not...</p><p><br /></p><p>I don&#039;t use English sites for Russian marks ID, only Russian ones. There are plenty of them. Kokoshni had been the assay mark used on&nbsp; IR jewelry and other silver and gold items from this period.&nbsp;&nbsp; After the October Revolution it had been used for a while and in 1924 it had been&nbsp; changed to a worker&#039;s head, and later to hammer and sickle.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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