Featured Fine Russian Gilt Silver & Enamel Perfume Bottle - 5.5 inch

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  1. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

  2. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member


    Hunhhh, those are just two small low-resolution images for me - if not a problem for anyone else, perhaps something on my end, but the same on both my laptop and phone, different operating systems and providers...

    ~Cheryl
     
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  3. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Yeah, those pictures unfortunately do not help.
     
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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I see the same. Good to see you though.:happy:
     
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  5. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I agree.
     
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  6. IvaPan

    IvaPan Well-Known Member

    I also don't see a lot.
    Maybe I did not express it well, sorry, English is not my mother tongue.
    I mean that there are three marks on the base, one after the other, and there is only one mark on the dauber (sorry, did not know the word before, I called it a plug) and not two or three. This one I called "a single mark", and it is the one with the kokoshnik head looking right with a single dot behind the heads in the middle, which points to Warsaw.
    Unfortunately, I can't see more on the new pictures.
     
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  7. laura9797

    laura9797 Well-Known Member

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  8. moreotherstuff

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  9. IvaPan

    IvaPan Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the images!
    So what I see from left to right:
    1. A Kokoshnik head, which is the same as the single one on the dauber (plug). They both have a dot behind the head in the middle, and a bar below the neck. So far haven't come across this mark but it is after 1908 and it is not Warsaw (which lacks the bar below the neck)

    2. The maker's initials are definitely in Cyrillic and are ФР . There is a maker with these initials in the same cartouche, from Kostroma region (Krasnoselska and Sidorovska sub-regions), Ferapont Razsadin who worked at the end of XIX and beginning of XX c. in Krasnoe Village, Kostroma region - image 1100 from here:
    Каталог клейм золотых и серебряных изделий Царской России XV-XXвв - Антикварные клейма (kleima.ru)
    There is no Moscow maker with these initials according to the above source.

    3. moreofthestuff, you (and Any) were right, the third oval mark with 84 is a kokoshnik, from before 1908, congrats for the sharp eyes!
    It does look like Moscow assayer Ivan Lebedkin mark as Laura stated in her first post. From here, image No 3878
    Каталог клейм золотых и серебряных изделий Царской России XV-XXвв - Антикварные клейма (kleima.ru)
    But there is an assayer from Kostroma with the same initials ИЛ (the image with maker BC)
    Фотокаталог клейм золотых и серебряных дел мастеров Российской империи (rus-antiques.ru)

    IMO, the above excludes Warsaw and Moscow, and leads to Kostroma region, maker Ferapont Razsadin, made around 1908 (as suggested by moreofthestuff) when the marking rules changed which can explain the presence of both pre-1908 and after 1908 marks.
     
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  10. IvaPan

    IvaPan Well-Known Member

    In addition to my previous post:
    Krasnoe village in Kostroma Region was a significant center of silversmith and goldsmith jewelry in Imperial Russia. Красное-на-Волге — Википедия (wikipedia.org) On this basis Krasnoselsky Jewelry plant was established in 1919, after the revolution.
    There were about 30 makers from Krasnoe village who participated in Paris World Exhibition 1900 - from here, one of them Dmitry Razsadin
    Мастера-красносёлы. Забытые имена - Форум сайта подстаканников - podstakanoff.net

    There are a number of makers from this village of the family Razsadin, apparently it was a jewelers family. I came across Alexander Razsadin, Nikanor Razsadin and Dmitry Ferapontovich Razsadin (apparently son of Ferapont Razsadin, whos initials are on the bottle)
     
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  11. IvaPan

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    Well, I managed to find in the same site a Moscow maker with initials ФР (Fyodor Ryukert) who specialised in enamel, worked till 1914 and made works for bigger companies, incl. for Faberge.
    zolotoe_i_serebryanoe_delo_xv_xx_309 - Антикварные клейма (kleima.ru)

    So Moscow still cannot be excluded. But the cartouche of this maker is different, rectangular, and the after-1908 kokoshnik (facing right with the dot in the middle behind the head and the bar below the neck, twice put - on the base and on the dauber/plug), is definitely not a Moscow assay mark.
     
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  12. Iouri

    Iouri Well-Known Member

    Another name who has the initials "FR"[ "ФР"]-Ruch Fedor Andreevich, owner of the mother's gold and silver products 1888-1906 (cup with enamel).
     

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  13. moreotherstuff

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    Feodor Rückert was a Faberge workmaster and did Pan-Slavic stuff, but this is not Faberge.
     
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  14. IvaPan

    IvaPan Well-Known Member

    Fyodor Ruch was St. Petersburg's maker so IMO he can be excluded as no other mark points to St. Petersburg. I mentioned him on page 2

    Yes, he was. I don't think he is a probable candidate (I explained why only based on marks regardless the style which I can't judge) but I had to mention him because previously I said there was no maker from Moscow with these initials but actually there is. It is not true. And he is documented to have done enamel on silver.

    Overall if the hallmarks are authentic (which I cannot judge) the conclusion with the highest probability IMO is the maker Ferapont Razsadin from Krasnoe, Kostroma. But I could not find any information about his specialisation and whether he did silver and enamel. As far as I understood IR makers had their specialisation and are known with particular material and style of work.
     
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