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Message:: [QUOTE="sunday silence, post: 4563680, member: 6808"]First, I did look at other items that's why I'm asking. Secondly, Chris says its an "impersonation" of the Rittirsch mark, which I dont really understand. The marks looks identical to me. Most of the "fake" marks or whatever that I see from asia are similar but not an exact duplicate of the mark. There's a reason for that I suppose and its probably so they dont get accused of outright counterfitting. To me, the original item I posted looks "fake" or not a real antique German item is because of the mottled grey look or as Johnny calls it "smudging". I've seen that  on a lot of the arnart and similar items. Second the bottom has that waffle board or gridiron pattern which I also see on arnart a lot.  So the piece is suspicious but the mark seems to be authentic, hence why I am confused. Look at this piece supposedly from Rittirsch (from catawiki site), it kind of has that grey look to it: [ATTACH=full]405089[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]