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<p>[QUOTE="Ex Libris, post: 2162474, member: 14916"]Ok, so far we have found a lot of information, but for now I think we have raised more questions then we answered them (that is no problem, it happens in research). Let's make a summary of what we have:</p><p><br /></p><p>We have a copper engraving with nine men playing games (backgammon, cards and dice) on a table. One row of the men are Catholic clergyman (the pope, a cardinal (?) and 3 monks), the other row of men are wearing 16th century noblemen's clothes. Around the playing men there are 4 cartouches with (Southern) Dutch 16th century text about true believe. "Our brother Francis" is mentioned in the text.</p><p>The engraving has no signature of the artist.</p><p><br /></p><p>We have found 4 different versions of the engraving by at least 2 different artist in 2 languages (Dutch and English):</p><p><br /></p><p>We have found 4 versions:</p><p><a href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1871-1209-970" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1871-1209-970" rel="nofollow">Without title</a> - anonymous - without dating (British Museum and my version)</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/my/collections/1682701--jonas-richter/people-playing-games/objecten#/RP-P-1887-A-11470,64" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/my/collections/1682701--jonas-richter/people-playing-games/objecten#/RP-P-1887-A-11470,64" rel="nofollow">The Game against the Monks</a> - Pieter van de Heyden(1570) (Rijksmuseum)</p><p><a href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1849-0315-10" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1849-0315-10" rel="nofollow">The Revelles of Christdome</a> - Thomas Cockson(~1609) (British Museum)</p><p><a href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1868-0808-3221" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1868-0808-3221" rel="nofollow">The Royal Gamesters</a> - anonymous(1626-1629) (British Museum)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Ex Libris, post: 2162474, member: 14916"]Ok, so far we have found a lot of information, but for now I think we have raised more questions then we answered them (that is no problem, it happens in research). Let's make a summary of what we have: We have a copper engraving with nine men playing games (backgammon, cards and dice) on a table. One row of the men are Catholic clergyman (the pope, a cardinal (?) and 3 monks), the other row of men are wearing 16th century noblemen's clothes. Around the playing men there are 4 cartouches with (Southern) Dutch 16th century text about true believe. "Our brother Francis" is mentioned in the text. The engraving has no signature of the artist. We have found 4 different versions of the engraving by at least 2 different artist in 2 languages (Dutch and English): We have found 4 versions: [URL='https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1871-1209-970']Without title[/URL] - anonymous - without dating (British Museum and my version) [URL='https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/my/collections/1682701--jonas-richter/people-playing-games/objecten#/RP-P-1887-A-11470,64']The Game against the Monks[/URL] - Pieter van de Heyden(1570) (Rijksmuseum) [URL='https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1849-0315-10']The Revelles of Christdome[/URL] - Thomas Cockson(~1609) (British Museum) [URL='https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1868-0808-3221']The Royal Gamesters[/URL] - anonymous(1626-1629) (British Museum)[/QUOTE]
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