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<p>[QUOTE="Any Jewelry, post: 415331, member: 2844"]If they were made in the same factory, that would be in Jingdezhen, the porcelain capital of China.</p><p>The porcelain from the Ca Mau cargo was made in the usual places of the period, Jingdezhen, Dehua (Blanc de Chine), and Guangzhou (Canton porcelain). Canton porcelain was also manufactured in Jingdezhen, but decorated in Guangzhou/Canton.</p><p><br /></p><p>That is unfamiliar to me as well. I also own a small bowl from the Nanking cargo, and other blue and white Chinese porcelain of the period that did manage to get to the Netherlands.</p><p>It looks like the plates were painted by two different people, using the same theme, and one is paler than the other, something you also see on Ca Mau plates. The smudgy white glaze on the backs is also seen on Ca Mau plates. They must have been in a hurry to finish them in time for the shipping season.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wink.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=";)" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Yes it would. But Dutch Chinese inspired ceramics are not porcelain. The little porcelain the Dutch manufactured in the 18th century was made in an entirely European style.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Ca Mau cargo is from a Chinese junk that sunk in Vietnamese waters on its way to Batavia in the Dutch East Indies (Jakarta, Indonesia). In Batavia the cargo would have been loaded on a Dutch ship, and shipped to the Netherlands for distribution to the Dutch and general European market.</p><p>The Dutch commissioned a lot of porcelain in China. For example, the Ca Mau cargo contained many 'Scheveningen' pieces, with views of the Dutch fishing village of Scheveningen. Painted in the Chinese manner, the Scheveningen lighthouse became a pagoda.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/smilies/smile.png" class="mceSmilie" alt=":)" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Your plates don't look commissioned, which doesn't mean they weren't intended for the Dutch market. Without provenance we simply don't know.</p><p>I am in the Netherlands, and will search some more for porcelain with that 'Dutch' border.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Any Jewelry, post: 415331, member: 2844"]If they were made in the same factory, that would be in Jingdezhen, the porcelain capital of China. The porcelain from the Ca Mau cargo was made in the usual places of the period, Jingdezhen, Dehua (Blanc de Chine), and Guangzhou (Canton porcelain). Canton porcelain was also manufactured in Jingdezhen, but decorated in Guangzhou/Canton. That is unfamiliar to me as well. I also own a small bowl from the Nanking cargo, and other blue and white Chinese porcelain of the period that did manage to get to the Netherlands. It looks like the plates were painted by two different people, using the same theme, and one is paler than the other, something you also see on Ca Mau plates. The smudgy white glaze on the backs is also seen on Ca Mau plates. They must have been in a hurry to finish them in time for the shipping season.;) Yes it would. But Dutch Chinese inspired ceramics are not porcelain. The little porcelain the Dutch manufactured in the 18th century was made in an entirely European style. The Ca Mau cargo is from a Chinese junk that sunk in Vietnamese waters on its way to Batavia in the Dutch East Indies (Jakarta, Indonesia). In Batavia the cargo would have been loaded on a Dutch ship, and shipped to the Netherlands for distribution to the Dutch and general European market. The Dutch commissioned a lot of porcelain in China. For example, the Ca Mau cargo contained many 'Scheveningen' pieces, with views of the Dutch fishing village of Scheveningen. Painted in the Chinese manner, the Scheveningen lighthouse became a pagoda.:) Your plates don't look commissioned, which doesn't mean they weren't intended for the Dutch market. Without provenance we simply don't know. I am in the Netherlands, and will search some more for porcelain with that 'Dutch' border.[/QUOTE]
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