Can You Identify This Vessel??

Hi Again, Thanks for all your comments. I still like her even if she has faults! Unlike any real woman of course!! .. regards Steve

 

Here she is >
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http://www.shipmodelsocietyofnewjersey.org/the-hannah-ship-model-project.php

 

It looks a bit similar, definitely not identical, to the following model of the US Brig Syren (1803). I can't tell if the flags are the same. In 1803 Old Glory had 15 stars: 2 3 2 3 2 3 and 15 stripes.

Scroll about a 1/3rd of the page to the USBrig Syren:
http://www.shipmodelsocietyofnewjersey.org/chuck-passaro.php

--- Susan

 

Did you look at the Hannah?

 

I both cases the number of cannon seems to still point to USS Hornet, I think? The wiki entry for Hornet def states 10 cannon.

 

A ship is square rigged on three masts. Nowadays the term is generic but at the period this model represents the terms ship and brig would have been mutually exclusive. To call a brig a ship would have been the same as calling a sports car a pickup.

 

Afantiques...you stated in a previous post, I quote: "but would keep it in the lower reaches of model ship prices" could you therefore estimate a value for me?

 

I can't really see it well enough to make a judgement, but I'd think under £100. Possibly more like £50. These are auction, not retail estimates in a mid market auction house.

 

Thank you for your reply, I note the fact that you are unable to see the detail of the vessel very clearly. I consider you estimate very low but it is noted, time will tell!! Regards ...Steve

 

Per Merriam Webster>
Definition of brig

1. : a 2-masted square-rigged ship
   

 

She's not USS Hornet #2 or 3 and so if it is her then it would be #1 which had 10 cannon and was a (Brig) 'Sloop-of-war'.

 

I think you should write them>
http://www.history.navy.mil/museums/NationalMuseum/org8-1.htm

 

To: KingsofThings..I will email the museum as you have suggested..hopefully they can give me/us a definative answer!! I still think you first answer is likely to be correct but let's see what contacting them will deliver.. cheers once again for your interest/help...Steve

 

Thank you and you are most welcome!
Please keep us informed.

 

Webster is using the modern generic description of a ship, as is appropriate for the current speakers of English. None the less, in the period this model represents the distinction would have been as clear and important to seafaring folk as the distinction between a car, a van and a truck nowadays.

Just because the language has in this respect become degraded is no excuse not to bear in mind that when these distinctions were important, the terms for sailing craft would have quite clear, no-one would have described a barque as a pink, or a brigantine as a wherry.

The reason I make a point of this is that to identify a period model of a vessel, using the correct nomenclature makes it far easier to identify something from a written description.

It is like putting the right name for something into a seach engine. You get fewer irrelevant results.

 

I had no idea! At least now I know what-I-don't-know!