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<p>[QUOTE="Bronwen, post: 9496469, member: 5833"]Welcome, cphammer, & thank you for sharing your gorgeous piece with us, also for the pdfs of the Art-Journal's report on The Court of the Designers. We are always looking for documentation of who was working, where & when. In this case the reporter seems to have been rather careless, perhaps rushed.</p><p><br /></p><p>As Figtree has already shown you, it is (Edouard?) Guyetant, not Guyelant. He was the successor to Michelini, I surmise, not artistically as a gem engraver, but in taking over Michelini's Paris shop. It is as a shop proprietor that he put his name on the Met's Lebas cameo. I'm not sure we can rely on the A-J's description of him as an artist. Dealers also displayed their wares at these exhibitions. I think Guyetant was the seller, not the author, of your cameo, which may have been sold unset. I have more documentation of 19th century gem engravers working in Rome than for ones in Paris, but Guyetant does not appear in any list I have of engravers. Based on the little bit we have, I suspect he did not discourage the idea that he was the <i>incisore</i> for promotional purposes, but that he could be found in some of the same sources where he is missing from the <i>graveurs</i> if one looked for sellers of objets d'art.</p><p><br /></p><p>Luigi Michelini, who was himself a prolific cameo cutter in shell, originally had a shop in Rome. Sometime 1829/30 he moved to Paris, setting up again as shopkeeper & resuming his cameo cutting. He came under the tutelage of Girometti, who taught him how to work hardstone, a skill he only mastered in his later years. It was certainly not he who "founded in Paris this refined Roman art."</p><p><br /></p><p>The "Schmall" mentioned in the A-J's write up of the Court of the Designers is surely Charles Schmoll, about whom you can find more info in this thread and in the one about <a href="https://www.antiquers.com/threads/cameo-signature-help-needed.38228/page-3#post-634189" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.antiquers.com/threads/cameo-signature-help-needed.38228/page-3#post-634189">cameo signatures</a>, where you will also see Bissinger, not Bessinger.</p><p><br /></p><p>I am so tantalized by the description that follows of a clock by Stanger that has a cameo face "upon which each hour was indicated by an exquisite <i>spirituelle</i> draped female figure, soaring in a circle..." I have no doubt these were the so-called Hours of Raphael.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]447754[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The Apa workshop has made cameos like clock faces with the Hours.</p><p><br /></p><p>Although in the later 19th - early 20th centuries there was a fad for cameos of what I think of as noblewomen, who seem to be fantasy creations of elaborate hair & jewels & veils, yours feels like a portrait. I don't know that we'll have any luck with an ID, but calling [USER=17332]@PepperAnna[/USER] & [USER=649]@bluumz[/USER]</p><p><br /></p><p>The mount is glorious. Have you scoured it for the itty-bitty marks of the French goldsmith? It strikes me as being later than the cameo itself. And have you examined the cameo carefully for any signature engraved on the front?</p><p><br /></p><p>To have any real idea of its market value, you would need to have the gold & diamonds appraised. The greater part of the sale value would lie there. The Guyetant inscription & the fact that the Met has one like it are also selling points. To my annoyance, quality of engraving often doesn't count as much as these other things.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Bronwen, post: 9496469, member: 5833"]Welcome, cphammer, & thank you for sharing your gorgeous piece with us, also for the pdfs of the Art-Journal's report on The Court of the Designers. We are always looking for documentation of who was working, where & when. In this case the reporter seems to have been rather careless, perhaps rushed. As Figtree has already shown you, it is (Edouard?) Guyetant, not Guyelant. He was the successor to Michelini, I surmise, not artistically as a gem engraver, but in taking over Michelini's Paris shop. It is as a shop proprietor that he put his name on the Met's Lebas cameo. I'm not sure we can rely on the A-J's description of him as an artist. Dealers also displayed their wares at these exhibitions. I think Guyetant was the seller, not the author, of your cameo, which may have been sold unset. I have more documentation of 19th century gem engravers working in Rome than for ones in Paris, but Guyetant does not appear in any list I have of engravers. Based on the little bit we have, I suspect he did not discourage the idea that he was the [I]incisore[/I] for promotional purposes, but that he could be found in some of the same sources where he is missing from the [I]graveurs[/I] if one looked for sellers of objets d'art. Luigi Michelini, who was himself a prolific cameo cutter in shell, originally had a shop in Rome. Sometime 1829/30 he moved to Paris, setting up again as shopkeeper & resuming his cameo cutting. He came under the tutelage of Girometti, who taught him how to work hardstone, a skill he only mastered in his later years. It was certainly not he who "founded in Paris this refined Roman art." The "Schmall" mentioned in the A-J's write up of the Court of the Designers is surely Charles Schmoll, about whom you can find more info in this thread and in the one about [URL='https://www.antiquers.com/threads/cameo-signature-help-needed.38228/page-3#post-634189']cameo signatures[/URL], where you will also see Bissinger, not Bessinger. I am so tantalized by the description that follows of a clock by Stanger that has a cameo face "upon which each hour was indicated by an exquisite [I]spirituelle[/I] draped female figure, soaring in a circle..." I have no doubt these were the so-called Hours of Raphael. [ATTACH=full]447754[/ATTACH] The Apa workshop has made cameos like clock faces with the Hours. Although in the later 19th - early 20th centuries there was a fad for cameos of what I think of as noblewomen, who seem to be fantasy creations of elaborate hair & jewels & veils, yours feels like a portrait. I don't know that we'll have any luck with an ID, but calling [USER=17332]@PepperAnna[/USER] & [USER=649]@bluumz[/USER] The mount is glorious. Have you scoured it for the itty-bitty marks of the French goldsmith? It strikes me as being later than the cameo itself. And have you examined the cameo carefully for any signature engraved on the front? To have any real idea of its market value, you would need to have the gold & diamonds appraised. The greater part of the sale value would lie there. The Guyetant inscription & the fact that the Met has one like it are also selling points. To my annoyance, quality of engraving often doesn't count as much as these other things.[/QUOTE]
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