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Featured Blue white candlestick

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by Marzena, Jul 29, 2019.

  1. Marzena

    Marzena Well-Known Member

    Oh, bloody hell, I didn't post it indeed , although I was certain I did it, ( and i understand all well komokwa... there was middle of the night were I am, so, I wasn't able to respond faster, I was sleeping, sorry. I also wonder, why something cheap bought on a yard sale may be not worth any discussion, we post things here to know more, to learn more, to be more aware, at least I thought so ?) . Here we are:
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  2. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    British. That looks like one of the pseudo marks made to look Chinese. Early 19th or even late 18th. And yes, it's been drilled.
     
  3. Marzena

    Marzena Well-Known Member

    Thank you for (as always) so very comprehensive answer. It's nice to learn something new again.
     
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  4. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I wonder if those could be initials. BL maybe? Did Burgess & Leigh use an initial mark like this?

    This doesn't look like an 18th or early 19th C pattern to my eye, more second half 19th I'd imagine.
     
  5. Marzena

    Marzena Well-Known Member

    Thank you, I will try to find more about!
     
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  6. dgbjwc

    dgbjwc Well-Known Member

    Hi Komo - If the whole purpose is to evaluate items for value then this is probably a bit of wasted exercise but I, for one, am still learning about this item. Even if it only sells for $5 in a yard sale (and it might well might) it does have quite a bit of history to it. The sloppy transfer is actually very common on this types of pieces. The idea was to churn them out as quickly as possible. The holes are a bit puzzling but you have to admit they are well drilled especially as a later addition. Usually you can see some type of chipping from that added work. And the new information regarding the mark has an interesting history. Chinese marks on English produced china may not be rare but are uncommon.

    Maybe it's the romantic in me but I love some of these old pieces just for their own sake. And I love learning about them. I've always been a bit of a history buff. Believe me, I look at schlock pretty frequently. You should view the various Facebook boards if you want to see a lot of items with little value! But I appreciate pieces with a little charm.

    You're where you should be. You know I'm a friend and value your opinion. Every now and then a practical point of view is necessary. But in this case I'd like to see how it plays out. JMHO.
    Don
     
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  7. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I buy all sorts of broken bits to id them. I've 18th century pickle dishes, battered as heck, but I still love them. Early transfers especially can be very sloppy: I find that delightful, it's a link to the person who did the work.

    Spode and others did pseudo marks, which is what this looks like. As to the decoration, it's that border that looks early to me.
     
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  8. Marzena

    Marzena Well-Known Member

    When I was a kid, I used to look for all kind of "treasures": including fossils, flint tools, old, almost irreversibly destroyed books and newspapers, also broken porcelain bits. It was a time without internet, so after every "find" I was running to the nearest library to find more about. It was the most exciting part of the search. If we talk about antiquities, I feel very the same. I've started this journey just few months ago, and it's amazing how much you may learn for so little time ( of course I am still at the pretty first level), and the most valuable thing for me is the knowledge about what I hold in my hands, the story which it has to tell me. I suppose, that maybe with time, when I will more demanding, and when all my life space will be filled with these oldies, that than I will think more about the value just from pure practical reasons, but now, I look at them in a very tender way, as the source of knowledge, not necessarily the museal one. Thank you all!
     
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  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    "I also wonder, why something cheap bought on a yard sale may be not worth any discussion"

    No no no no no nooooo........
    I never said or suggested that.....everything here is worth ...some discussion....& we did.....there's 20 posts there all trying to be helpful......

    It was just my opinion....& clearly stated......that this item may not now be worth " FURTHER " discussion !!
    There's a big difference there !!!
     
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  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    & I value your opinion....my Friend ....but I thought & wanted to say that I though that this thread had for me....run it's course.
    Now with the new photo....( thank you Marzina ! ) Owned & SIS have added new opinions on the item.....which I find that I agree on two points...being a pseudo mark...& not earlier than mid 19th.

    Being drilled for a lamp & never used....being a single....I see it as a lonely cast off that never found it's way in life.....
    If it could talk maybe it would have something important to say.....but as it sits now..........it is what it is...& I find it unremarkable in the vast sea of items we get shown here.

    But like I said.....IMO..!
     
  11. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Somebody's project to make it into a lamp was probably forgotten later in the rush of other activities. I have a few forgotten projects at my house, too. This is an interesting discussion and I'm glad that I finally read it!
     
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  12. Marzena

    Marzena Well-Known Member

    Ok, I've found the pattern: Grosvenor Blue by Charles Meigh & Sons, 1851-1861
     
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  13. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

  14. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Later than I thought - nice work!
     
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  15. Marzena

    Marzena Well-Known Member

    But I've found it thanks to the base pattern, thanks to you -)
     
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