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<p>[QUOTE="all_fakes, post: 85295, member: 55"]Komokwa writes "<b>someone is roughing them up , gooing them up , and putting cedar bark on some in a clear attempt to defraud buyers."</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p>Yes, exactly. I tried writing an ebay guide, just in case somebody <u>was</u> checking out "Bear Thompson." </p><p> In the past that trick has sometimes brought some folks out of the woodwork......I managed to annoy the heck out of "Freddy Fencepost" once, anyhow. </p><p><br /></p><p>But as an avid follower of fakery I find several things interesting about the Bear Thompson items. It is pretty uncommon, or used to be, to find any NW coast fakes with anything real attached, and I swear the chest we've both seen has what appear to be real opercula. Who would bother? And many do have some cedar-bark. That is more energy than most of the fakers expend.</p><p> And there are so many of them appearing, all at once, from multiple sellers...I find that curious also. Possibly a single importer has adopted the "Bear" thing, just as another did several years ago with the fake "Ye Olde Curiosity Shop" labels.</p><p> One trick I've known some fake-sellers to use is to intentionally saturate the market, even if prices are low; because over time that lends credibility. That is the trick used by ebayer Calabar/Ransom.h.h; sell one or two fakes every week, for 15 years or so.</p><p>Certainly true that the buyers deserve it; though I've often speculated that some of the buyers know they are fakes, and simply hope to resell for more than they paid.</p><p> And it just annoys me to see a new batch of fakes. So I thought I'd vent a bit, choosing one of the worst examples. I agree certainly with post #562...I rarely write the sellers, it just raises my blood pressure; but sometimes is informative about the motives/knowledge of the seller.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, here is my speculation: Floyd Fagan aka "Freddy Fencepost" is known for carving fake masks, and putting fake signatures on them; and in the past I've seen sellers with large numbers - up to 30 - of his fakes, being sold as "from an estate." I kind of wonder if he has graduated to buying fakes and modifying them. The clumsiness of the "Bear" items reminds me of him, somehow.</p><p>If so, someone has probably seen "Bear Thompson" fakes at Vancouver BC flea markets.</p><p><br /></p><p>(As Bakersgma mentions, nobody's ever heard of the "collectors" mentioned in the auction listings.) </p><p> </p><p>I'm just venting and ranting, I guess.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="all_fakes, post: 85295, member: 55"]Komokwa writes "[B]someone is roughing them up , gooing them up , and putting cedar bark on some in a clear attempt to defraud buyers." [/B] Yes, exactly. I tried writing an ebay guide, just in case somebody [U]was[/U] checking out "Bear Thompson." In the past that trick has sometimes brought some folks out of the woodwork......I managed to annoy the heck out of "Freddy Fencepost" once, anyhow. But as an avid follower of fakery I find several things interesting about the Bear Thompson items. It is pretty uncommon, or used to be, to find any NW coast fakes with anything real attached, and I swear the chest we've both seen has what appear to be real opercula. Who would bother? And many do have some cedar-bark. That is more energy than most of the fakers expend. And there are so many of them appearing, all at once, from multiple sellers...I find that curious also. Possibly a single importer has adopted the "Bear" thing, just as another did several years ago with the fake "Ye Olde Curiosity Shop" labels. One trick I've known some fake-sellers to use is to intentionally saturate the market, even if prices are low; because over time that lends credibility. That is the trick used by ebayer Calabar/Ransom.h.h; sell one or two fakes every week, for 15 years or so. Certainly true that the buyers deserve it; though I've often speculated that some of the buyers know they are fakes, and simply hope to resell for more than they paid. And it just annoys me to see a new batch of fakes. So I thought I'd vent a bit, choosing one of the worst examples. I agree certainly with post #562...I rarely write the sellers, it just raises my blood pressure; but sometimes is informative about the motives/knowledge of the seller. So, here is my speculation: Floyd Fagan aka "Freddy Fencepost" is known for carving fake masks, and putting fake signatures on them; and in the past I've seen sellers with large numbers - up to 30 - of his fakes, being sold as "from an estate." I kind of wonder if he has graduated to buying fakes and modifying them. The clumsiness of the "Bear" items reminds me of him, somehow. If so, someone has probably seen "Bear Thompson" fakes at Vancouver BC flea markets. (As Bakersgma mentions, nobody's ever heard of the "collectors" mentioned in the auction listings.) I'm just venting and ranting, I guess.[/QUOTE]
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