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<p>[QUOTE="all_fakes, post: 4295296, member: 55"]Interesting and polite discussion; illustrates the difficulty in knowing exactly how to phrase an attribution.</p><p>Likely stems from the fact that in the majority of cases, the Native American or First Nations groups did not actually use the word "tribe" or anything that could easily be translated as "tribe." Scholars have tried to invent words to use; but in most cases, that just added to the confusion. Like "moiety;" for example....maybe better than "tribe" but not much, and even less understandable to a lay person. Or the academics would group indigenous people by linguistic factors alone....</p><p>Often, a people's name for themselves would translate simply as "Us," or "the People." And the idea of "tribe" just didn't come into it.</p><p>They knew who they were, and knew who the people in the next village were; who was an outsider and who was not; and the particular words never mattered much until academics tried to classify people into groups they could understand.</p><p>And many times, the indigenous people referred to would protest that the groupings did not make sense to them; were not the right names, and were to some extent even insulting.</p><p>As if one were to say "Englishman, Irishman, Scotsman....that's all the same thing, right?"</p><p>But the discussion of "Coast Salish" is spot on, IMHO.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="all_fakes, post: 4295296, member: 55"]Interesting and polite discussion; illustrates the difficulty in knowing exactly how to phrase an attribution. Likely stems from the fact that in the majority of cases, the Native American or First Nations groups did not actually use the word "tribe" or anything that could easily be translated as "tribe." Scholars have tried to invent words to use; but in most cases, that just added to the confusion. Like "moiety;" for example....maybe better than "tribe" but not much, and even less understandable to a lay person. Or the academics would group indigenous people by linguistic factors alone.... Often, a people's name for themselves would translate simply as "Us," or "the People." And the idea of "tribe" just didn't come into it. They knew who they were, and knew who the people in the next village were; who was an outsider and who was not; and the particular words never mattered much until academics tried to classify people into groups they could understand. And many times, the indigenous people referred to would protest that the groupings did not make sense to them; were not the right names, and were to some extent even insulting. As if one were to say "Englishman, Irishman, Scotsman....that's all the same thing, right?" But the discussion of "Coast Salish" is spot on, IMHO.[/QUOTE]
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