Featured Bakelite ? Locket Bracelet

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  1. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    To be used after tasting, for desinfection, never before.:pompous:
    To cleanse the palate in between tasting different materials, some neutral tasting white bread or toast will do. That is what is used for wine tasting, so I'm sure it is good for jewellery tasting as well.:playful:
     
  2. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    Lacking 100% confidence, I'm going against the crowd.

    I think it's one material, vulcanite/ebonite.
     
  3. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    And I do the 'tooth test' on all kinds of materials, not just pearls., In this case, I bet the cuff part feels far different from the decorative part. About the locket compartment, I'm not sure; don't know what it is & have never done the test on anything that is in the rubber-like family of substances, such as gutta percha & Vulcanite.

    https://artofmourning.com/2011/02/08/vulcanite/?doing_wp_cron=1560694780.3617188930511474609375

    When buying jet or vulcanite, be vary wary and scrutinise your piece closely. One of the easiest ways is to spot the carving behind the memento (photo or hair) in a locket, as this wasn’t smooth and moulded like vulcanite, jet will often show the marks of the carver’s tools.
     
  4. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Then there would have been no need to attach the decoration to the lid with unsightly hardware; they could have been made as a single piece.
     
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  5. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    ibid.: ...note if the piece is obviously moulded (such as the smooth, curved expanding band on this piece) or if there are the obvious carving marks.
     
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  6. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    Can the locket be bog wood?
     
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  7. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    Unless you make components that can be used in a variety of designs.

    Additionally, making one mold that deep would be complicated and limiting (no undercuts)... and, I suspect, would be a less successful imitation of jet.
     
  8. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Fair point, Or if you sold the same basic bracelet with different designs on top.

    I don't see any undercuts, evidence on the side of molded. I can't see the decoration well enough, really. @KSW Does the decoration really look like this or is there a lot of glare, or what?

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    Vulcanite has a way of going brown over time. Seems often to start in the crevices.

    Perfectly possible the bracelet is entirely artificial, but using 2 or 3 different substances. Properties needed for the expanding band are different than requirements for other.
     
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  9. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    I was suggesting that if the two pieces (grapes and top of locket) were one, the mold would involve deep undercuts.

    Just another reason for not having created a mold that would cast these two pieces as one -- it would not be an effective jet replacement.
     
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  10. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I think you are seeing undercutting when I am not. You have the much better eye, & eyes, I can easily be misreading the photo. Presence or absence of undercuttiing is definitely something to look for when trying to determine carved or cast, although with some things, like newer lava cameos, I suspect molded, then touched up by hand here & there.
     
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  11. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    I think the problem is that I'm not explaining myself well enough.:hilarious:

    I'm talking about places where the two pieces meet as below:

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  12. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    Yes and no. ;)

    For those who believe it's carved, yes. For those who believe it's molded, no.
     
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  13. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    This was one of my 4 hour nights too, so could be quite addled without realizing. When it comes to that particular piece you circled...

    I was about to say something which, after further consideration, probably wasn't correct.
     
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  14. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    It 'could be' in the sense of not impossible, but it would be unusual.
     
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  15. KSW

    KSW Well-Known Member

    I’ll be home soon and take lots more photos!
     
  16. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Oh good, then we can really get the debate going. :)
     
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  17. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    No question it is in several parts (decor and locket are assembled with rivets, visible on 6th OP pic) which your enlarged pic makes obvious there.
    Victorian black materials (except bog oak jet and French jet) could be pressed rather than molded.
     
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  18. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Happy Sunday, kyra. Can you explain how you are using 'French jet'? It seems to be applied, rightly or wrongly, to many materials. Which one do you mean?

    Think there's no disagreement that it is assembled from 4 different pieces. We're just wrangling over what those pieces are made of.
     
  19. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I thought it was already going.:confused: Maybe the wrong way, but going it was.:hilarious:
     
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  20. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    Yes, @Bronwen and I agree that there are separate parts in this piece, but we're having quite the discussion about why/why not (if they're all the same material) you would make the top piece in separate parts.

    At least I think that's what we're talking about. I'm not sure that @Bronwen agrees.

    Which may be why we've talked about it soooo much. :p
     
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