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<p>[QUOTE="mirana, post: 8649955, member: 79705"][ATTACH=full]428527[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Kunsthandel K. & V. Waterman/Sotherbys on left, Golgotha's on right.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just to make things easier for everyone to note the differences, which are multitude, between the pieces. Unfortunately I couldn't find a better version of the left piece, but I think it's still usable enlarged. Pretty fantastic that Golgotha managed to find it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Worth noting that in that catalog of Hoet's work, he does as many in his day did and copied themes and did similar paintings. He's got Bacchanal works and <a href="https://rkd.nl/en/explore/images/record?query=Gerard+Hoet&start=43" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rkd.nl/en/explore/images/record?query=Gerard+Hoet&start=43" rel="nofollow">twin</a>-ish <a href="https://rkd.nl/en/explore/images/record?query=Gerard+Hoet&start=44" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rkd.nl/en/explore/images/record?query=Gerard+Hoet&start=44" rel="nofollow">paintings</a> of similar theme. Artists did replicate pieces done before, even showing clients previous work to pick from. They also employed apprentices and assistants who would paint some or all of an order, and learn from painting the master's work.</p><p><br /></p><p>I still believe my first impression that Golgotha's is an apprentice piece. It's possible the Sotherby's one is a crop or was cut down. Being larger isn't a reason to consider it the original, as it takes away from the composition and you can see the artist wasn't sure what to do with the space, even stopping the tree trunk and tree in an awkward way. The faces and anatomy are not as well done. The mottling and color, even allowing for the Sotherby's piece having old varnish, is not as good. Lots of details that are not as confident or harmonious.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think it would take an expert to say whether this was "Studio of Gerard Hoet" (ie someone who worked with him) or "Follower of Gerard Hoet" (ie later work, of which there are others cataloged as this) based on age. It's possible they're both by Hoet but the face seems too different on it's own. It's not a bad painting; apprentices trained from a young age and were quite good, but I don't think it's the original.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="mirana, post: 8649955, member: 79705"][ATTACH=full]428527[/ATTACH] Kunsthandel K. & V. Waterman/Sotherbys on left, Golgotha's on right. Just to make things easier for everyone to note the differences, which are multitude, between the pieces. Unfortunately I couldn't find a better version of the left piece, but I think it's still usable enlarged. Pretty fantastic that Golgotha managed to find it. Worth noting that in that catalog of Hoet's work, he does as many in his day did and copied themes and did similar paintings. He's got Bacchanal works and [URL='https://rkd.nl/en/explore/images/record?query=Gerard+Hoet&start=43']twin[/URL]-ish [URL='https://rkd.nl/en/explore/images/record?query=Gerard+Hoet&start=44']paintings[/URL] of similar theme. Artists did replicate pieces done before, even showing clients previous work to pick from. They also employed apprentices and assistants who would paint some or all of an order, and learn from painting the master's work. I still believe my first impression that Golgotha's is an apprentice piece. It's possible the Sotherby's one is a crop or was cut down. Being larger isn't a reason to consider it the original, as it takes away from the composition and you can see the artist wasn't sure what to do with the space, even stopping the tree trunk and tree in an awkward way. The faces and anatomy are not as well done. The mottling and color, even allowing for the Sotherby's piece having old varnish, is not as good. Lots of details that are not as confident or harmonious. I think it would take an expert to say whether this was "Studio of Gerard Hoet" (ie someone who worked with him) or "Follower of Gerard Hoet" (ie later work, of which there are others cataloged as this) based on age. It's possible they're both by Hoet but the face seems too different on it's own. It's not a bad painting; apprentices trained from a young age and were quite good, but I don't think it's the original.[/QUOTE]
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