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<p>[QUOTE="sunday silence, post: 10221858, member: 6808"]Hello ANtiquefab: I'm not sure what to make of the google search. I did same thing for that image I posted at the top of the thread. And indeed Burr came up first along with a number of other works including Arno's. Sometimes it happens when you do an image search that it takes you to a similar work that has an advertisement for that work or artist at the bottom . In other words if I do an image search for that Arno image google might link me to a different image that has an image of Arno's work at the bottom of the same page. Oftentimes that happens when there is an upcoming auction, and I do an image search and I get a totally different image than the one I am searching for but at the bottom of the page will be an ad for that same image with a link to the auction.</p><p><br /></p><p>I dont think that's what happened there but the image search produces a number of similar risque images including Arnos so I dunno.</p><p><br /></p><p>In any case I did find a couple of similar works ATTRIBUTED to Arno and unsigned similar to this one. For example:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/unsigned-attributed-to-peter-arno-ny-1904-1968-ca-178-c-8dc4b43900" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/unsigned-attributed-to-peter-arno-ny-1904-1968-ca-178-c-8dc4b43900" rel="nofollow">https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/unsigned-attributed-to-peter-arno-ny-1904-1968-ca-178-c-8dc4b43900</a></p><p><br /></p><p>this one sold in 2023 by Kaminski also using "attributed" and also not getting much money.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/attr-to-peter-arno-ink-and-watercolor-drawing-329-c-96f49e9ad1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/attr-to-peter-arno-ink-and-watercolor-drawing-329-c-96f49e9ad1" rel="nofollow">https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/attr-to-peter-arno-ink-and-watercolor-drawing-329-c-96f49e9ad1</a></p><p><br /></p><p>interestingly here's one sold by Kaminski in 2020 also unsigned but they did not say "attributed" they call it original and claim they purchased it from Arno's daughter in the 1970s. In the 2023 sale they claimed no such thing and simply said "from a Palm Beach estate." The 2020 art went for considerably more no doubt because this reputable auction house claimed it as original.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/peter-arno-original-watercolor-illustration-1227-c-689459c83d" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/peter-arno-original-watercolor-illustration-1227-c-689459c83d" rel="nofollow">https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/peter-arno-original-watercolor-illustration-1227-c-689459c83d</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Its also notable to me that all three of these works have very similar/same presentation: the work appears to be cut out from the original medium and so the edge are irregular. And then attached to some backing member. You'll note that every one of these unsigned Arnos at todays auction has the very same type of presentation.</p><p><br /></p><p>In my opinion without any signature attached to the work, or any documentation the auction house should have said "Attributed to." as both Kaminski and Bill Hood have done. I thought that was industry standard but now Im not so sure.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think what really piqued my interest is that of the 24 artworks in today's auction all of them are similarly unsigned, and seem to be cut from the original medium and then pasted onto a dark backing member. It seems like the same color in all of them so I suppose they were all produced in one batch. </p><p><br /></p><p>Another red flag: If you look closely at lot 233 you can see from the creases that the work is glued to the backing. Who does that? thats not professional </p><p><br /></p><p>More red flags: the auction house does not even show a photo of the reverse side. who does that? Nor do they present any paperwork from 50 years ago when Arno's daughter apparently sold this horde of originals.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="sunday silence, post: 10221858, member: 6808"]Hello ANtiquefab: I'm not sure what to make of the google search. I did same thing for that image I posted at the top of the thread. And indeed Burr came up first along with a number of other works including Arno's. Sometimes it happens when you do an image search that it takes you to a similar work that has an advertisement for that work or artist at the bottom . In other words if I do an image search for that Arno image google might link me to a different image that has an image of Arno's work at the bottom of the same page. Oftentimes that happens when there is an upcoming auction, and I do an image search and I get a totally different image than the one I am searching for but at the bottom of the page will be an ad for that same image with a link to the auction. I dont think that's what happened there but the image search produces a number of similar risque images including Arnos so I dunno. In any case I did find a couple of similar works ATTRIBUTED to Arno and unsigned similar to this one. For example: [URL]https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/unsigned-attributed-to-peter-arno-ny-1904-1968-ca-178-c-8dc4b43900[/URL] this one sold in 2023 by Kaminski also using "attributed" and also not getting much money. [URL]https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/attr-to-peter-arno-ink-and-watercolor-drawing-329-c-96f49e9ad1[/URL] interestingly here's one sold by Kaminski in 2020 also unsigned but they did not say "attributed" they call it original and claim they purchased it from Arno's daughter in the 1970s. In the 2023 sale they claimed no such thing and simply said "from a Palm Beach estate." The 2020 art went for considerably more no doubt because this reputable auction house claimed it as original. [URL]https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/peter-arno-original-watercolor-illustration-1227-c-689459c83d[/URL] Its also notable to me that all three of these works have very similar/same presentation: the work appears to be cut out from the original medium and so the edge are irregular. And then attached to some backing member. You'll note that every one of these unsigned Arnos at todays auction has the very same type of presentation. In my opinion without any signature attached to the work, or any documentation the auction house should have said "Attributed to." as both Kaminski and Bill Hood have done. I thought that was industry standard but now Im not so sure. I think what really piqued my interest is that of the 24 artworks in today's auction all of them are similarly unsigned, and seem to be cut from the original medium and then pasted onto a dark backing member. It seems like the same color in all of them so I suppose they were all produced in one batch. Another red flag: If you look closely at lot 233 you can see from the creases that the work is glued to the backing. Who does that? thats not professional More red flags: the auction house does not even show a photo of the reverse side. who does that? Nor do they present any paperwork from 50 years ago when Arno's daughter apparently sold this horde of originals.[/QUOTE]
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