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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Joseph Mason, post: 1530118, member: 13529&quot;]I was under the impression that we had agreed to show a little respect for someone else&#039;s thread and call it quits, but hey, I get it. We stole it fair and square - we might as well use it now. I doubt if Melissa would get within a country mile of this thread now after what we did to it.</p><p>I really don&#039;t want to get on here and argue just for the sake of arguing. You folks have your point of view - and I have mine. I doubt that any minds are going to be changed at this point.</p><p>2manybooks - I do have a couple of serious questions for you though. Reading between the lines relative to that photo you posted a while back that purports to be Mary in her 1861 inaugural ball gown, am I safe in assuming that you still believe the photo and accompanying text is accurate? Just for the sake of argument .... suppose you&#039;re right, that the dress may actually be blue, due to the varying degrees of hue or tint as the result of the photographic process that is missing in the actual photograph. </p><p>Where does the white, deeply bordered, point d&#039;Alencon lace collar go? As you are probably aware, the collar is well documented in contemporaneous newspaper accounts by reporters who actually attended the inaugural ball festivities. </p><p>And wouldn&#039;t the very presence of the lace collar preclude the very possibility of a low-necked, off-the-shoulder ball gown - regardless of color? Was it customary to wear the two items together?&nbsp; Just curious. I&#039;m no expert on Victorian clothing, but a lace collar would seem to be out of place in that scenario. Thank you.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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